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    Ody's just a slut. He opened his chest window for terribly villainous reasons and Charlotte probably shanked him through there.

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    I feel ranks work pretty well for direct power beams and such.

    they also worked pretty well in F/Sn considering things like (even if they’re not exactly the same kind of SUTANDO) A+ Beller + probably like B rank Rho Aius + Pegasus power and Medusa beating out Excalibur.

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    Aegis wielded by Athena, an actual goddess with authorities/functions, is enough to tank Zeus' bolts. We don't know if Aegis wielded by Ody can do the same.
    Mashu specifically increased her shield's already bullshit defensive power by doping herself with Athena Klironomia, which as shown by Charlotte can give specific functions/powers.

    Odysseus' defense wasn't even brought up much despite FGO liking to make enemies seem as threatening as possible, and they even had scenes where Chaldea's team sat down to discuss how to overcome each of the major trials in the Lostbelt. "We can't even hurt Ody" was never included among their impossible challenges as far as I know, unless the translation I found was incomplete.

    Not saying it's not a formidable NP of course, just that it's a bit of a stretch to think of him as invulnerable unless you're Zeus level. Even if that was the case, he doesn't have the power to get through Karna's defense either.


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    I checked the scene again. Mashu's shield virtually became Aegis by obtaining its Authority through Athena Klironomia. Again I don't know how much the translation leaves out but it does make it seem like the authority is related to the shield itself.

    That said, considering it's an NP, Odysseus is probably going to have huge limitations in its usage. Might be the reason why he keeps leaving parts open in his animations.
    During the confrontation with Zeus it was also noted that Mashu couldn't hold on forever because she was still dependant on our limited mana, so as a servant Odysseus isn't going to perform as well as actual gods when wielding Aegis.
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    Well, to be fair, he only needs to tank VS once.


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    Nah, don't you know? Vasavi Shakti and Kavachi and Kundala are like a light switch, Karna can switch back and forth between them at will, LB4 said so buy Karnacoin today
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    Mash's noble phantasm is more limited than Odysseus'. She only imitates Aegis.

    Aegis
    A defensive armament which was created by the Gods of Olympus. It has been at times referred to as a set of armor, or a shield. Originally a conceptualized defense used by the Gods, which is essentially an extremely formidable barrier. However, thanks to the affection Odysseus receives from Athena, it is able to be worn by him as a physical suit of “armor”. In other words, it is an invincible set of armor which carries the conceptualized defenses of the Gods.

    A continuously invoked Noble Phantasm.
    Nothing here states his Aegis is any weaker than it normally would be, and it's a bounded field that's continually active. I doubt mana cost is an issue when he's walked around in it even before we set foot in Atlantis.

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    Nothing there makes it capable of dealing with Brahmastra or VS beyond comparisons to a buffed Mashu. Still not seeing how Ody beats Karna, unless we're assuming Ody is a tincan getting wailed on.

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    Since it's a Bounded Field, how would Gae Dearg interact with it?

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    Mash Demi-Servant (aka before part 2) vs Ortinax Mash (post Olympus).
    Master for both: Ritsuka.
    So, I was thinking for a bit and I feel like at this point Lostbelt Mash is quite stronger than one with Galahad's powers.
    I am interested to know what do you guys think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Crimson View Post
    Since it's a Bounded Field, how would Gae Dearg interact with it?
    While it's a bounded field, it also embodies the conceptual defenses of the gods so it's unknown if it possesses some weird effect able to counter stuff like Gae Dearg's effect. Either way it might pass through the bounded field but still be blocked by the actual physical shield I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteNightSin View Post
    Mash Demi-Servant (aka before part 2) vs Ortinax Mash (post Olympus).
    Master for both: Ritsuka.
    So, I was thinking for a bit and I feel like at this point Lostbelt Mash is quite stronger than one with Galahad's powers.
    I am interested to know what do you guys think.
    iirc having 3 different types of Klironomia was enough for even Charlotte to be considered a dangerous opponent (altough for a short time as she was too instable) and to be able to hurt Super Orion.
    Even with only the Athena Klironomia, the difference in strength between Ortheanus Mashu and Galahad Mashu was a lot less than that between Charlotte and Orion to begin with, so I'd bet on the Lostbelt version.
    Altough even with the Aegis buff, Mold Camelot looks a bit less impressive than Lord Camelot to me.

    Now I'm kinda curious of what a Galahad Mashu with the Olympus buff would be like.

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