Badass Versus Thread

[Twelveseal]

Embrace the fanfiction. Let the powerlevels flow through you XD.

[eddyak]

Welp, we have an answer to the stakes thing. From Achilles' Mats:

Dromeus Kometes: Comet Running Style
Rank: A+
Classification: Anti-Personnel (Self) Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Number of Targets: 1 person

Dromeus Kometes (Running Comet). A Noble Phantasm of the Constantly Invoked-Type that Achilles activates by getting off from “The Immortal Chariot of Swift Winds and Surging Waves” to stand on his feet. It is something that embodies the legend that he is the swiftest among all heroes of all eras. He can run through a vast battlefield in a single breath, and even if there are obstacles on the field, they will not reduce his speed. He must expose his weak point, his Achilles tendon, while running, but there are few Heroic Spirits who can catch hold of him while he is running at this speed.

He won't be stopped by stakes.

[AAM1232]

RIP Black Team

[fire_mountain_30]

Welp, we have an answer to the stakes thing. From Achilles' Mats:

Dromeus Kometes: Comet Running Style
Rank: A+
Classification: Anti-Personnel (Self) Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Number of Targets: 1 person

Dromeus Kometes (Running Comet). A Noble Phantasm of the Constantly Invoked-Type that Achilles activates by getting off from “The Immortal Chariot of Swift Winds and Surging Waves” to stand on his feet. It is something that embodies the legend that he is the swiftest among all heroes of all eras. He can run through a vast battlefield in a single breath, and even if there are obstacles on the field, they will not reduce his speed. He must expose his weak point, his Achilles tendon, while running, but there are few Heroic Spirits who can catch hold of him while he is running at this speed.

He won't be stopped by stakes.

you already knew all of that from Apo

what part of that discounts the stakes? the "obstacles" part? stakes aren't obstacles, they are a method of attack

[AAM1232]

you already knew all of that from Apo

what part of that discounts the stakes? the "obstacles" part? stakes aren't obstacles, they are a method of attack

Stakes not being obstacles is not the best hill to die on when playing with semantics.

[Ronove]

you already knew all of that from Apo

what part of that discounts the stakes? the "obstacles" part? stakes aren't obstacles, they are a method of attack

An "obstacle" is anything, either metaphoric or physical that barricades or halts one's progression. Thousand stakes forming from the ground, is pretty much that.

[You]

stakes aren't obstacles, they are a method of attack

Kazikli Bey. Lancer of Black’s Noble Phantasm. It can unleash a maximum of twenty thousand stakes in the territory he has set up with his skill “Demonic Defender of the State”. It can be used to attack, defend or regulate the movements of the enemy. Due to the being set up in Romania, the territory created by “Demonic Defender of the State” here is the largest of any Holy Grail War. Not only does the damage from the stakes pile up, they attack one after another with overwhelming numbers reaching twenty thousand, living up to Vlad III’s nickname “Lord of Impalement”.

lol

[fire_mountain_30]

An "obstacle" is anything, either metaphoric or physical that barricades or halts one's progression. Thousand stakes forming from the ground, is pretty much that.

I guess Achilles can just phase out of existence like avalon if someone shoots an arrow at him mid -sprint by that logic, since the arrow would be considered an obstacle.

I always interpreted that part of his NP description as being able to keep top speed despite ditches on the ground or jumping over small walls.

The way you seem to interpret it, you come off as believing that he is intangible while running. We know he isnt because he exposes the heel and the heel can be shot

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Stakes not being obstacles is not the best hill to die on when playing with semantics.

Implying you arent doing semantic games yourself

[Menwearpink]

Maybe he just runs at them and breaks them like a sonic dash attack.

That's what I kind of expect would happen tbh.

[AAM1232]

I guess Achilles can just phase out of existence like avalon if someone shoots an arrow at him mid -sprint by that logic, since the arrow would be considered an obstacle.

I always interpreted that part of his NP description as being able to keep top speed despite ditches on the ground or jumping over small walls.

The way you seem to interpret it, you come off as believing that he is intangible while running. We know he isnt because he exposes the heel and the heel can be shot

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Implying you arent doing semantic games yourself

I'm not the one who said stakes aren't obstacles in the first place. And then having to backpedal after You posting Kazikli Bey's description from Apo.

I mean in all honesty it's very likely he just breaks them by dashing past them like the golems in the anime, breaks them with his shield as it's very strong compared to the stakes or he just runs around them at high speed. So in the end, I'm not seeing Vlad having a good time vs Achilles in the grand scheme of things regarding the Apo scenario.

[fire_mountain_30]

"as it's very strong compared to the stakes"

can Achilles dash into spartacus and tear him to pieces with his momentum like Guilhotine Breaker did to Samson in the manga? because those stakes had the force to pierce spartacus.

also, we still dont know how Achilles would fare against stakes from the inside

[Remy]

"as it's very strong compared to the stakes"

can Achilles dash into spartacus and tear him to pieces with his momentum like Guilhotine Breaker did to Samson in the manga? because those stakes had the force to pierce spartacus.

also, we still dont know how Achilles would fare against stakes from the inside

But stakes can't pierce Achilles due the power of Andreias Amarantos, so your argument may be somewhat insignificant in this situation.

Golems are obviously stronger than stakes, another opinion is a simple trolling.

[AAM1232]

"as it's very strong compared to the stakes"

can Achilles dash into spartacus and tear him to pieces with his momentum like Guilhotine Breaker did to Samson in the manga? because those stakes had the force to pierce spartacus.

also, we still dont know how Achilles would fare against stakes from the inside

Come on, this is getting ridiculous now. If you have a point that isn't deliberate nitpicking and denial of basic facts do share it. Otherwise feel free to not bother posting at all, since you're just wasting time in making arguments that have no meaning.

As for Achilles vs Spartacus, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to? He could punch through Chiron, so there is some merit to the idea.

In order for the stakes to sprout inside him (assuming that it would matter given Amarantos), Vlad needs to hit Achilles with his spear. This would be very difficult for Vlad.

[I Can't Believe It's Not A NoblePhantasm]

Welp, we have an answer to the stakes thing. From Achilles' Mats:

Dromeus Kometes: Comet Running Style
Rank: A+
Classification: Anti-Personnel (Self) Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Number of Targets: 1 person

Dromeus Kometes (Running Comet). A Noble Phantasm of the Constantly Invoked-Type that Achilles activates by getting off from “The Immortal Chariot of Swift Winds and Surging Waves” to stand on his feet. It is something that embodies the legend that he is the swiftest among all heroes of all eras. He can run through a vast battlefield in a single breath, and even if there are obstacles on the field, they will not reduce his speed. He must expose his weak point, his Achilles tendon, while running, but there are few Heroic Spirits who can catch hold of him while he is running at this speed.

He won't be stopped by stakes.

This is approaching no-limit fallacy. Just conceptually think about this. What if there's a big wall? Obviously he would have to go around it, increasing the time to get from point A to point B. This is a glorified Crossing Arcadia. Achilles is well-equipped to circumvent obstacles. It doesn't mean nothing can stop him. There are some that can. There's also statements that the stakes restrict mobility. What do you think happens if Vlad surrounds Achilles 360 degrees with stakes? Vlad can control how many come at once, and where they appear. If I were to take Achilles's side with this line of reasoning, I could easily justify Achilles defeating pretty much any servant in the series including those that the author's obviously didn't intend.

[Remy]

What do you think happens if Vlad surrounds Achilles 360 degrees with stakes?

Answer is simple)) Achilles run through stakes and broke them

[Blastedspider]

Just because the stakes can't pierce Achilles doesn't mean that they would break on contact. If Vlad concentrates all of them on Rider and makes sort of a prison out of them perhaps he wouldn't be able to break through.

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

my bet is that achilles would break through stakes unless vlad concentrates basically all of them in one structure
that shouldn't mean the stakes can't hit him when they appear from the ground while he's running

[Remy]

Just because the stakes can't pierce Achilles doesn't mean that they would break on contact. If Vlad concentrates all of them on Rider and makes sort of a prison out of them perhaps he wouldn't be able to break through.

Vlad can't make a solid wall from the stakes. Each stake stand separate from others. So, if Achilles run through them, he must crush only small amount of the stakes at each moment. If he can put his foot on the ground in each step, the stakes can't stop his dash.

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my bet is that achilles would break through stakes unless vlad concentrates basically all of them in one structure
that shouldn't mean the stakes can't hit him when they appear from the ground while he's running

I think that Achilles run much faster then stakes appear

[I Can't Believe It's Not A NoblePhantasm]

Answer is simple)) Achilles run through stakes and broke them

my bet is that achilles would break through stakes unless vlad concentrates basically all of them in one structure
that shouldn't mean the stakes can't hit him when they appear from the ground while he's running

How would Achilles do this without spamming his shield, (which would be inefficient) when his average damage output is notably below Karna? The stakes aren't toilet paper. They can defend against things that hit a lot harder than Achilles (Atalanta's arrows).

Just because the stakes can't pierce Achilles doesn't mean that they would break on contact. If Vlad concentrates all of them on Rider and makes sort of a prison out of them perhaps he wouldn't be able to break through.

This, except the shield exists, which would mean that each time, he'd be spending the equivalent of a bounded field, but this is basically what I'm getting at.

[Zork Knight]

How would Achilles do this without spamming his shield, (which would be inefficient) when his average damage output is notably below Karna? The stakes aren't toilet paper. They can defend against things that hit a lot harder than Achilles (Atalanta's arrows).

Where the hell did you get that Achilles is notably below Karna and fucking Atalanta's arrows?
Didn't Achilles just straight up break through Golems?