Astolfo with his 4 nps is so averagee..Originally Posted by Reign
Astolfo with his 4 nps is so averagee..
Riders having a lot of NPs is their thing and none of Astolfo's are really gamebreakers. Except Luna Break Manual maybe but even then only on a new moon.
Only since Apoc.
Iskander was/is considered a top-tier Servant of the Rider Class and he has two. It's just another case of Apoc going Crazy with the Power Levels/Escalation.
Our Riders all have 5 NP! And we have Armies of Mooks! And Flying Fortresses! And Infinite Magic for our Servants!
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I mean it's more "Bunch of NPs for lower stats then Knight Classes" in general, but it's not like Big Deal Heroes/Author Pets can't bullshit their way to having both like Achilles.
Iskandar has Ionioi Hetairoi, Gordius' Wheel, and Bucephalus. It's a lot for a Servant back then.
That said, there are a lot of non-Rider Servants that can get around having limited NPs by it being counted as a single NP, with GoB being the most (in)famous example. So Riders having multiple NPs doesn't sound that special anymore.
Makes me wonder if people manifested from NPs count as NP themselves, like Riders' mounts.
Medusa has 3 NPs which I'm pretty sure was more than anyone else in FSN. I guess Saber comes even if we count Invisible Air.
By that logic Avalon shouldn't count since it's not something she has unless by pure chance.
Tbh, people's tolerance will vary depending on the kind of NP (like GoB and such).
Good question.
If you take everything super literally Rider's NPs in Zero are The God Bulls, Gordius Wheel, Via Expugnatio, and IH, so 4
Two Divine Bulls#report error
noble phantasm
Refers to the “God Bulls,” the two bulls that pull the Gordius Wheel chariot. In Greek mythology, Zeus, the master of lightning, transforms into a white bull in order to seduce Europa, princess of Tyre. Gordius Wheel is a chariot said to have been given as an offering to Zeus, so the divine bulls appear as part of the noble phantasm reflecting this background.
Fate/Zero Animation Guide I: Glossary of the holy grail war IHis stat sheet also calls Gordius Wheel a NP. However, GO mats retcons? clairifies? Gordius Wheel as not a NP even if its put in a NP slot.Gordius Wheel#report error
noble phantasm
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A war chariot pulled by a pair of divine bulls who trample the enemy with hoof, wheel, and lightning. Rider’s Rank A+ anti-army noble phantasm. It can shape-shift into the ideal form to traverse any terrain with maximum efficiency. It isn’t limited to moving along the ground and can also fly in the sky. Iskander is said to have cut the knot binding an ox cart tied up at the shrine by Gordias, King of Phrygia. This event is the origin of the saying “cutting the Gordian Knot.”
Therefore he has ~3.5?
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Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
So the Divine Bulls and Gordius Wheel count as separate NP, huh.
Last edited by OnesFleetingGlory; September 14th, 2020 at 11:31 PM.
how are those two statements compatible? a galaxy is much greater than a supernova. when was "galaxy" even mentioned?
Why are we saying "Gods" and "Divine Spirits" as being the same thing when comparing them to Servants?
those two terms are meant for radically different beings. we have known this for a few years now
Its weird, like romulus quirinus was able to fight a full tier god in lb5.2...
He was a Grand, he wasn't alone, and I'm pretty sure there was conceptual stuff about Rome surpassing Greece.
An imaginary scenario: If Ritsuka only has one Servant beside Mashu and Shadow Border crew(Holmes, Da Vinci, etc) to fight Crypters from LB1 to LB5, with the same storyline like meeting allies such as Patxi and summoning other Servants from within Lostbelt like Avicebron, Napoleon etc. which one would have the best/worst chance and which part in the story will they potentially struggle the most, with the following Servants:
-Gilgamesh
-Ozymandias
-Karna(in LB4, the Karna summoned alongside Rama is Ritsuka's Karna so it's a forgone conclusion)
They're my picks due to how broken they were in their home series, therefore the likeliest candidates to win. If you guys have other suggestions, feel free to add them as well as the reasoning behind it.
That was because he was conceptually a chief god on par with Zeus, so their authorities canceled one another.
With them Quirinus should be one of the strongest Grand we've seen till now.
Last edited by Mementore; September 16th, 2020 at 02:46 AM.
The energy comparison was to the lostbelt trees.
The supernova comparison was for destruction of Solomon's reality marble.
Divine Spirits and gods are interchangeable. Just because there's a different category of gods, doesn't make divine spirits not gods. Additionallyy, the difference between a divine spirit and a god is not power-based, but independence.
Grand didn't buff Romulus. It was explained in his profile that a grand saint graph was the only way for a servant vessel to hold his original power.
He gets no conceptual advantage against Zeus. He is just a divine spirit as strong as Zeus. This, again, was in his profile.
But Lostbelt Zeus wasn't a Divine Spirit, but a full-blown god
That's the point. A divine spirit can equal a god, and nothing ever said otherwise.
archer vs Erza.
I shall watch the sweet choas.
D-Meme's meteor vs. Erza's meteor
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