Fate/Grand Order: Babylonia Anime

[weeblord]

Is a macuahuitl you uncultured swine.




...Forgive me for the rudeness, I always wanted to say that.

it makes weird chainsaw-like noises in the game, its a chainsaw club to me.

Eh, no? People were mostly bashing him for turning Guda into a wimp instead of a seasoned veteran who has cleared 6 singularities?

I remember people praising the addition of Olga flashback and the cahracterization of Guda during his conversation with Ushi and merlin.

[Sandstorm77]

I haven't really seen anyone bashing the anime particularly, so this came out of nowhere. Even this episode was good.

[bassgs435]

I don't remember much complaining about Guda "being turned into a wimp". If anything, the early complaints I remember are him (and Mash) feeling bland (different from wimp), which is just a result of Mash being the vanilla waifu and Ritsuka being a silent protagonist (which often results in bland characters when translated to anime). But people seemed to praise giving him some character through interaction with Ushi and Merlin. Any complaints about him being a wimp were either on other sites or just indidvidual gripes rather than a shared feeling.

But with this and Azur Lane, it feels too many people can't abandon the ebin 4chan hateful troll mentality when actually talking and interacting with creators in a platform that isn't 4chan

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Let me clarify: Pointing out flaws and gripes is fine. But you gotta realize there are people working on this and fucking up a show isn't a crime or an offense and thus doesn't mean you get to treat said workers like crap.

Like I hate what was done with Demonbane, Blazblue, Dies irae and Devil Survivor 2 (for example). But I would limit my displeasure at the show and how I felt the staff could've done better. I won't act like the staff are subhumans or wish death upon them. And I would not carlessly point fingers at an individual, because we never know 100% what goes on behind the scenes and what led to the shows being like they are.

[Ronove]

There's plenty reason to bash Guda after this episode. I was so-so before, but this was jarring to see. Guda's big speech comes off really hollow for someone who does little other than stand around, whereas in the game, the tone is a lot less serious. He's more caught up in Taiga and Ishtar's shenanigans than wanting to show how strong humanity is, or whatever. That narrative wasn't pushed by him much, and he's got nothing to show for it. Had he actually tried to plancha Quetz and the goddess went along with it, people might have been more positively receptive. It's just awkward with how the scene is cut out. Execution matters, and all Guda was...talk and dive from really high up. Now Quetz loves him. I don't understand it either, because in the first few episodes, we had Guda making commands, buffs, strategies. Do more of that, more overtly. Make him look like a seasoned veteran that has overcome the strongest servants had to offer. The Leonidas scene comes to mind again. If Guda had any sense, he would have CS'd Mashu into helping Leo block with Lord Camelot. This cant' happen as it would deviate too much from the game, but that in of itself is proof that you can't write Guda the same way across both mediums. The anime needs to take more risks and liberties with him. He's a physical presence now, not a camera anymore.

[bassgs435]

And how does the cut change anything? We still know he did an attack purely to convey ideals, and it worked. We know it was about Quetz accepting said ideals over damaging her because no way he could seriously do any damage. And for that, the cut (while akward) is not the absolutely garbage move that you people claim it is. I dunno why the anger. And yes, he should do more. But still, that's no reason to go "he's a wimp". Also, it's like we forgot his speech with Merlin. He's aware there's not much he himself can do as he's not that great of a mage or master.

Also, should be obvious his grand speech to Quetz was him putting on a brave front to convince her to join. Dunno, I could understand if you said he's bland. But to say he's a wimp, or bash him feels out of nowhere.

It's like people have become obssessed about the goddamned cut and have decided to "take revenge" by becoming ultra harsh critics. And Quetz already loved him at first sight. Even if the "marry me and I'll stop" thing was a joke, it was obvious there was serious attraction developing there.

Also, point remains said bashing hasn't happened much here in BL

[Rafflesiac]

There is, both literally and figuratively, zero impact.

[bassgs435]

There is, both literally and figuratively, zero impact.

Hm? What do you mean? That the cut means the scene loses it's impact completely (I disagree). Or that the cut didn't actually impact anything?

[OverMaster]

Basically, Gudao IS a wimp PHYSICALLY speaking (and physical weakness doesn't make a character bad), and he's all sorts of bland, which the anime has sort of improved onto but it can't do miracles with the already established plotline either (and that IS bad for a character), but one must be fair and admit that, emotionally, he's far from being a wimp.

He's too bland to be really a wimp, since he must fit this generic Nice Heroic Guy template to a tee and marked flaws would single him out for the role as much a large marked positive traits or accentuated quirks would.

[Rafflesiac]

Hm? What do you mean? That the cut means the scene loses it's impact completely (I disagree). Or that the cut didn't actually impact anything?

The former. It's like if UBW had had Saber charge up to Excaliblast the Grail with the glowy sparkles of light and Sword of Promised Victory beginning to ramp up and then hard cut to a few motes of dust in the air and her fading away.

[Zork Knight]

The plancha on Quetz would've been the climax of the episode and they just... Skipped over it. That's the issue.

[DTTS]

Like, cutting away from impact of his jump in the latest episode was bad but other than that pretty much anything the anime has done with MC-kun is better than the non-character he was in the game. And I can't really imagine anyone really watching this for Fuji in particular and not the characters and story around him either.

[Ronove]

And how does the cut change anything? We still know he did an attack purely to convey ideals, and it worked. We know it was about Quetz accepting said ideals over damaging her because no way he could seriously do any damage. And for that, the cut (while akward) is not the absolutely garbage move that you people claim it is. I dunno why the anger. And yes, he should do more. But still, that's no reason to go "he's a wimp". Also, it's like we forgot his speech with Merlin. He's aware there's not much he himself can do as he's not that great of a mage or master.

You talk the talk, be expected to walk the walk. The anime cut off the walk. Guda isn't the type of person to make big human speeches, that came out of nowhere. The game makes it so that Guda is just dragged into a scenario and removes a bit of agency. The anime frames his dive as something super amazing and 100% intentional, then omits the impact. It's entirely hollow, like a buildup with no climax. Any concept falls flat without proper execution. Guda actually suplexing Quetz into the ground would have been better for both characters. It would show (key word: show, not tell) Guda taking action, while affirming Quetz is a pro at selling to the audience by going along with such a ballzy move.

Also, should be obvious his grand speech to Quetz was him putting on a brave front to convince her to join. Dunno, I could understand if you said he's bland. But to say he's a wimp, or bash him feels out of nowhere. It's like people have become obssessed about the goddamned cut and have decided to "take revenge" by becoming ultra harsh critics. And Quetz already loved him at first sight. Even if the "marry me and I'll stop" thing was a joke, it was obvious there was serious attraction developing there. Also, point remains said bashing hasn't happened much here in BL

I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't call Gudao a coward. I said the anime doesn't know what to do with this charisma vacuum they call a protagonist. The game makes it clear he's just along for the ride. The anime tries to make him much more important and a more serious character, but don't sell it convincingly at all. It's really freaking awkward.

[bassgs435]

Wrong parallel. Saber was trying to harm the Grail and did it. Showing the attack is important. Here the attack is of no relevance because Gudao would do 0 damage to Quetz. Null. Nada. The physical impact is unimportant. What was important was the ideals conveyed, and thus was done through his speech and him decided to have Ishtar lift him and do the dive and trust that Quetz would accept the attack and his ideals. The attack itself was unimportant. Doesn't deserve all this anger just because they cut it

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The plancha on Quetz would've been the climax of the episode and they just... Skipped over it. That's the issue.

How is a non-effective attack any kind of climax?

[R.Lock]

Isn't it sad that Gudao's non-canon jump through Excalibur Morgan got animated, but his super hyped-up lucha dive wasn't.

[SeiKeo]

Can we go back to how you're demonstrating the depth of your sincere conviction to the world by throwing yourself off a building screaming

[DTTS]

Pretty sure it didn't funnily enough. One point he was outside the beam's range, the other he was already near Mash.

Can we go back to how you're demonstrating the depth of your sincere conviction to the world by throwing yourself off a building screaming

what else are you supposed to do against a nutjob like Quetz

[Rafflesiac]

Can't beat the Saberface.

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Can we go back to how you're demonstrating the depth of your sincere conviction to the world by throwing yourself off a building screaming

um, excuse you, it's challenging a (self-proclaimed) goddess of lucha to a lucha match to show how humanity won't back down from even the worst crises

[bassgs435]

You talk the talk, be expected to walk the walk. The anime cut off the walk. Guda isn't the type of person to make big human speeches, that came out of nowhere. The game makes it so that Guda is just dragged into a scenario and removes a bit of agency. The anime frames his dive as something super amazing and 100% intentional, then omits the impact. It's entirely hollow. Any concept falls flat without proper execution. Guda actually suolexing Quetz into the ground would have been better for both characters. It would show (key word: show, not tell) Guda taking action, while affirming Quetz is a pro at selling to the audience by going along with such a ballzy move. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't call Gudao a coward. I said the anime doesn't know what to do with this charisma vacuum they call a protagonist. The game makes it clear he's just along for the ride. The anime tries to make him much more important and a more serious character, but don't sell it convincingly at all. It's really freaking awkward.

They showed what they had to show. They didn't cut the walk. And it's precisely because he's not a camera anymore that they had him come up with the plan rather than be dragged along (which would make him more of a wimp, and less veteran. Which is what people are seemingly complaining about, that he doesn't act like enough of a singularity veteran). You can raise issues, sure. I'm not saying the anime is doing Gudao perfectly.

But goddamn, it feels like cutting that fucking thing is the equivalent of killing people's mothers and raping the corpse (Blame Hellsing for this metaphor. LMAO) from how they've exploded in anger

[Rafflesiac]

I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.

[R.Lock]

Leap of faith is featured heavily in one of the most milked franchises of XXI century. Why is it even a point to be raised.