Unpopular TM opinions you have

[Bloble]

I have to agree with Bloble. Especially on the "Westernize" bit. Western designers feel less...imaginative I'd say compared to Japanese designers.

It's not that they're less imaginative. In terms of creativity, anywhere is fair game. The real issue is that both Japan and America (Europe is pure and wonderful) have their own common design trends, for good and ill alike. But when someone usually talks about Westernizing a product, what they really mean is making it more palatable. Sanding off all those rough edges and making it accessible to the lowest common denominator. The removal of anything and everything that could potentially drive people off and the addition of superfluous elements dictated by marketing teams and corporate executives.

In short, Westernizing something means making it as bland and boring and safe as possible in order to appeal to a mass market, and in the process rendering it utterly worthless. You might realize that most of AsGryffynn's arguments essentially boiled down to this.

That's not to say the Nasuverse hasn't already been shaped by outside forces to some extent. FSN and Tsukihime had porn inserted so they could sell. In-jokes are replacing new content at a steady pace. And GO has slowly allowed the the 'verse's once careful world building to fall prey to many common design trends, tropes, and archetypes prevalent in Japanese video games, animation, and light novels. But even then, the Nasuverse has managed to retain its individuality mostly intact. Nasu still has creative control and exercises it appropriately, and a Type Moon story still feels like a Type Moon story no matter how you're experiencing it. In general the Japanese markets, or at least the kind of market that the Nasuverse occupies, tends to be more tolerant of those rough edges, likely owing to its sharper focus and smaller fanbase. That market allows Type Moon's indie roots to be preserved. That's partially why you so much more often see weird shit in anime compared to Western entertainment. Because buzzwords like "decency" and "tasteful" and "modesty" don't apply nearly as strongly. Because creators have realized that it's okay, and in my opinion better to appeal to a niche with a focused product than create something everyone and their mum can enjoy. That carries with it some bad, obviously, but it brings in far more good as well.

That's why I'll always oppose anyone who wants to change aspects of a work so it might better appeal to the masses.

Now someone that actually speaks moon can come in and call me a filthy weeb.

[Lily Emilio]

Any time Mikon or Kiyohime show up. There's also the literal Bride character.

Tamamo shows up to support Kintoki and then got 1HKO by Solomon, she did not even care about Guda. Kiyo did not even say anything about being in love with Guda, she basically just bicker with Liz in Orleans for like a few scenes then they poofed. Bride shows up with Liz for idol shit but then decided to help stall Cu Alter and got her guts pierced, dying in her own pool of blood. In none of these instances that these servants talk about wanting to get in Guda's bed. They got destroyed in the main story.

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Like I said, main story. Don't bring up shit happening in events and my room and tell me they are part of the main story, because those places are literally designed for that type of tone, the lighter tone to contrast with the grim dark tone of the main story, to give players a break from the intense atmosphere.

[pinetree]

Kiyohime very clearly, very quickly becomes obsessed with Guda. Though I also don't think it applies to waifu stuff since every character, including Guda, reacts to it by either being scared or pointing out how fucked up she is. I won't deny there's an element of pandering, but that's intrinsic to her character, and the story chooses to mostly ignore it in favor of using her a comic relief.

Nero is just in a costume because she wants to be a Hollywood star and to contrast with Liz's idol outfit, she has no romantic interactions with you.

Tamamo is completely irrelevant to the main story and doesn't even get the chance to play up her waifu shtick with you.

Much better examples would be Ereshkigal and Serenity, and they're actually the only ones I can think of.

[SeiKeo]

In general the Japanese markets, or at least the kind of market that the Nasuverse occupies, tends to be more tolerant of those rough edges, likely owing to its sharper focus and smaller fanbase. That market allows Type Moon's indie roots to be preserved. That's partially why you so much more often see weird shit in anime compared to Western entertainment. Because buzzwords like "decency" and "tasteful" and "modesty" don't apply nearly as strongly. Because creators have realized that it's okay, and in my opinion better to appeal to a niche with a focused product than create something everyone and their mum can enjoy. That carries with it some bad, obviously, but it brings in far more good as well.

it's because 90% of anime releases are niche products that you're comparing to star trek and marvel

[Bloble]

it's because 90% of anime releases are niche products that you're comparing to star trek and marvel

and harry potter

[Lily Emilio]

Kiyohime very clearly, very quickly becomes obsessed with Guda. Though I also don't think it applies to waifu stuff since every character, including Guda, reacts to it by either being scared or pointing out how fucked up she is. I won't deny there's an element of pandering, but that's intrinsic to her character, and the story chooses to mostly ignore it in favor of using her a comic relief.

Nero is just in a costume because she wants to be a Hollywood star and to contrast with Liz's idol outfit, she has no romantic interactions with you.

Tamamo is completely irrelevant to the main story and doesn't even get the chance to play up her waifu shtick with you.

Much better examples would be Ereshkigal and Serenity, and they're actually the only ones I can think of.

And even if you count them (I don't), it's just them being themselves, that's what you should be expecting them to do considering their personalities, and there's nothing wrong with that. Characters acting OOC is worse than inconsistent tone of the story in my book.

[SeiKeo]

like, berserk vs game of thrones

[SpoonyViking]

like, berserk vs game of thrones

Which is also an example of a work being dumbed down for the masses by removing "decency", "taste", and "modesty".

[Zork Knight]

Which is also an example of a work being dumbed down for the masses by removing "decency", "taste", and "modesty".

I thought it got dumbed down because they ran out of books

[Iceblade44]

Game of Thrones was never modest, the TV show exaggerates it but there is plenty of sex scenes in the books as is.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Yeah, George R.R. has both a sadistic and dirty mind, kind of like another famed English writer who's been adapted as a Servant.

[Deathhappens]

Any time Mikon or Kiyohime show up. There's also the literal Bride character.



There havn't really been many AAA JRPGs for a while though. Most series have turned towards the action-RPG style recently. Off the top of my head I can only name Persona 5, Dragon Quest and Octopath. The last Final Fantasy to be a classic RPG was X and that was 2001.

For the record, Nero Bride comes from CCC.

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Game of Thrones was never modest, the TV show exaggerates it but there is plenty of sex scenes in the books as is.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have eventually dropped the books if they actually had sex scenes in them.

Like, characters have sex, but the most "detailed" one I remember offhand is John Snow and YouKnowNothingJohnSnow, and by detailed I mean she stripped before the FtB.

Could be misremembering though.

[warellis]

I'm more pissed they fucked over Stannis's characterization in the TV show and turned Ramsay Snow nto some guy who can shit on karma all the time, whereas in the books at least Roose Bolton puts him in his place more.

[forumghost]

I mean who cares really every character is awful and I hope the Zombie Apocalypse wins because they entirely deserve it.

Chronic backstab disorder+rampant stupidity+pettyness+unjustified ego sums up 90% of the population.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I mean who cares really every character is awful and I hope the Zombie Apocalypse wins because they entirely deserve it.

Chronic backstab disorder+rampant stupidity+pettyness+unjustified ego sums up 90% of the population.

Agreed. That or a sudden nuclear warhead-ex-machina would be great. With the zombie apocalypse.

[eddyak]

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have eventually dropped the books if they actually had sex scenes in them.

Like, characters have sex, but the most "detailed" one I remember offhand is John Snow and YouKnowNothingJohnSnow, and by detailed I mean she stripped before the FtB.

Could be misremembering though.

You don't remember the sex scenes because they aren't written like porn. The food is written like porn, but the sex is written like a chore.

[You]

just like fate

[Menwearpink]

Any time Mikon or Kiyohime show up. There's also the literal Bride character.



There havn't really been many AAA JRPGs for a while though. Most series have turned towards the action-RPG style recently. Off the top of my head I can only name Persona 5, Dragon Quest and Octopath. The last Final Fantasy to be a classic RPG was X and that was 2001.

A friend who works in the video game industry tells me that by industry standards only FF15 would really count as a AAA JRPG as of late in terms of budget.

Persona 5 would be high B, or A at most apparently.

JP games generally are much smaller in budget, and sometimes staff than western games tbh.

[Urameshi Yūsuke]

Makes sense.

About 90% of them look basically the same.

[Deathhappens]

Wow, racist. :P