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    The me who has never spent any money on this game and barely grinds for anything that's not a mission based event because I don't level any of my servants skills feels weirdly satisfied now

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    The system doesn't care if you 'buy quartz and hate yourself for it'. You're still buying quartz. If fetishistic disavowal ("I know very well, and yet, I do it anyway") is what produces more revenue the system will engender fetishistic disavowal. Witness Riyo.
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    Ironically the gacha is actually the only thing which keeps this kusoge running until now. You don't play it to "enjoy the story", you play fgo to hoard sq and wait for the next rate up of your fav waifu/husbando so you can feel good when you actually pull them out. You subject yourself to the endless grinding so that you can feel good about having said character to max level and having a nice little deck of waifus to show off to others. FGO is less about story and gameplay and more about vanity.

    the gatcha is not the one that's ruining FGO, it's in fact it's main selling point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by massive_jojo_reference View Post
    Quite unpopular, but this thread's name is clear so why not.

    FGO, while a game with fun mechanics and whatnot, has been ruined by Gacha Monetizing system, with the war on lootboxes raging on in USA, it kinda makes me feel like i'm on the wrong side of history here (And i'm sure that there are more people that feel this way). That is not to say that as a F2P i haven't sunk countless hours into the game, but all i'm playing it for now is the story to be quite honest.
    That's actually the reverse why FGO exist and why it still running. If they just want to deliver story they can do it in another medium

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    Quote Originally Posted by 34 View Post
    Ironically the gacha is actually the only thing which keeps this kusoge running until now. You don't play it to "enjoy the story", you play fgo to hoard sq and wait for the next rate up of your fav waifu/husbando so you can feel good when you actually pull them out. You subject yourself to the endless grinding so that you can feel good about having said character to max level and having a nice little deck of waifus to show off to others. FGO is less about story and gameplay and more about vanity.

    the gatcha is not the one that's ruining FGO, it's in fact it's main selling point.
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    That's why it is still alive until now. New characters to roll every like 3 weeks- 1 month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    The system doesn't care if you 'buy quartz and hate yourself for it'. You're still buying quartz. If fetishistic disavowal ("I know very well, and yet, I do it anyway") is what produces more revenue the system will engender fetishistic disavowal. Witness Riyo.
    Spoiler:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    If you just care about the characters and the story, then I have good news for you. You can watch the story cutscenes, event, and interlude cutscenes on Youtube in fully-formed playlists. Maybe a Honako Green video or two if you want a glimpse of the gameplay with none of the boring grind. Actually best way to enjoy the game. Most bang for your buck, least amount of wasted filler, and you don't have to contribute to a cancerous monetization system even indirectly because you're not filling up the ocean with F2P bait for whales!
    I used to do this, but then I ended up actually playing (and by playing, I mean literally only playing the story chapters and nothing else) instead because uploads took too long or didn't match my own reading pace comfortably etc. It's "easier" to just read on your own in-game, but then you actually have to slog through the fights, so that sucks.

    Of course, now I haven't had the drive to login to do anything for months so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 34 View Post
    Ironically the gacha is actually the only thing which keeps this kusoge running until now. You don't play it to "enjoy the story", you play fgo to hoard sq and wait for the next rate up of your fav waifu/husbando so you can feel good when you actually pull them out. You subject yourself to the endless grinding so that you can feel good about having said character to max level and having a nice little deck of waifus to show off to others. FGO is less about story and gameplay and more about vanity.

    the gatcha is not the one that's ruining FGO, it's in fact it's main selling point.
    I feel like I'm living in a very different reality from y'all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    I feel like I'm living in a very different reality from y'all...
    Just remember the reactions of people to the notion of the gacha being removed or rates being improved: denial and fear.
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    Wait, what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes View Post
    The moment the opportunity arises for a pun, the one known as 'Taiga's Knight' will be there to deliver whether you like it or not.

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    imagine saving for a year to buy a car for 100.000$, then suddenly the next day the price for the same car drops 50%, or becomes free. except that the car stands for "characters", and belongs to a shitty mobile game.

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    I mean

    The gacha price dropped 25% on one of the anniversaries

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    Ok, I mean I get that part, but following that analogy, in theory at some point in the future you are gonna wanna buy more cars right? Eventually you would turn a profit since they cost less, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes View Post
    The moment the opportunity arises for a pun, the one known as 'Taiga's Knight' will be there to deliver whether you like it or not.

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    vanity. having a supposedly limited production car would feel less special if more and more people can afford it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    I mean

    The gacha price dropped 25% on one of the anniversaries
    that doesn't mean much if the rate-up is still bullshit

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    Man nuts to that.

    im a dolphin, I drop a hundred bucks in every couple of months, when I do that, I want to get new servants out of the deal. Any drop in price or increase in probability is aces in my book.

    i suppose my viewpoint is I would rather me and a hundred other guys get the next tamamo in a swimsuit or whatever as opposed to 10 guys get her, none of which are me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    If you just care about the characters and the story, then I have good news for you. You can watch the story cutscenes, event, and interlude cutscenes on Youtube in fully-formed playlists. Maybe a Honako Green video or two if you want a glimpse of the gameplay with none of the boring grind. Actually best way to enjoy the game. Most bang for your buck, least amount of wasted filler, and you don't have to contribute to a cancerous monetization system even indirectly because you're not filling up the ocean with F2P bait for whales!
    Literally not even close to the same experience. It's like trying to watch FSN on youtube, sure, you can go and read all possible different outcomes to every single choice, but there's just nowhere near the same engagement of making those choices or reading it on your own with full control at the moment.

    FGO doesn't have the relevant choices at the 'VN' side of things, but for all the shit the combat system might get, just watching the fight with Lion King or Goetia would be terribly underwhelming compared to actually playing it after around a year playing the game. It's also why if I was late in starting it I would be extremely annoyed if I had to go through all main singularities with a support hercules, there isn't much challenge doing it regularly already, if I don't even use my own servants I feel attached to, then it's basically meaningless. You really misunderstood what I meant by the story, it's not limited to cutscenes for me, it's really the experience of the "highs" in the game. Hell, babylonia would not be nearly as tense if I was just watching it on youtube, even if I watched gameplay clips of it along.


    FGO might have a lot of filler and it's not really the most balanced gameplay experience for most people, it has lows and highs, but I feel like those highs would be wasted if not experienced in the game.
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    Watching a playthrough of FSN on youtube is a legitimate way of experiencing the vn. And I'd argue the marginal attachment you get from having played FGO yourself (formed of a mix of stockholm, sunk cost, and the general gacha effect) is far outweighed by having to suffer through every other bad aspect that cpuld easily be excised from the experience.

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    I watched through an LP of Fate/Extra on YouTube as my main way of consuming it and it didn't stop me from loving the game.

    The only thing I would feel bad about experiencing FGO that way is missing out on all the optional events and sidequest type stuff that only comes out for a limited time or the personal interactions you can have with the Servants. Optional dialogue.
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    I mean you can still get a decent idea of the characters, a sense of bonding or the highly sought "feels" just reading the story, reading summaries or better yet (tho this depends) talking about it with friends in the community. Interacting with the story in your own way is fine, there's no right way to enjoy it in the first place. I'd say that playing the game and going through all of its bads certainly makes the good stand out more, but thats a choice you need to make for yourself.

    Playing the full game gives you more to do, but whether thats the negatives like the grinding, rolling servants in tears or doing some other unfulfilling thing, or instead positives like rejoicing in 5-star gettoo, finishing that good chapter or indulging in silly (and great/humorous) sidepaths/choices and events is just a different experience, and personally I'd rather not drag myself through the former, even if it would make the latter better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruisu View Post
    Literally not even close to the same experience. It's like trying to watch FSN on youtube, sure, you can go and read all possible different outcomes to every single choice, but there's just nowhere near the same engagement of making those choices or reading it on your own with full control at the moment.

    ...

    FGO might have a lot of filler and it's not really the most balanced gameplay experience for most people, it has lows and highs, but I feel like those highs would be wasted if not experienced in the game.
    That's why you (hopefully) enjoy the game. It's a personal matter.

    As someone who tried to get into GO, I know now that eventually I'll go through some lore dump or watch a playlist at my own pace and extract all I care about from the game, without feeling like I'm missing something.

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