Unpopular TM opinions you have

[Dullahan]

writing an 'actual true magus' - has not been tried and found impossible. it has been found difficult, and left untried.

[the god of world-0]

Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?

[Dullahan]

To understand why it is necessary.

[You]

Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?

Nasu tried once.
But the cat got pet.

[Benderesco]

Reading a work with a "pure" magus seems like an exercise in masochism, frankly. I can't imagine many people would enjoy spending hours upon hours staring at the feverish mind of a unidimensional, predictable madman.

And if that happens to be one's thing, I'd bet there are lots of fanfics written by edgy teenagers that would suit their tastes.

[Dullahan]

Incorrect.

[AmADo VII]

so ppl never played Mahoyo huh.

[Benderesco]

Incorrect.

What, that most people would not enjoy it? Or are you referring to the "exercise in masochism" part?

so ppl never played Mahoyo huh.

I mean, I unfortunately do not speak japanese (yet). I don't speak French either, since I passed that one up to study German. As far as I know, Aoko is far from a stereotypical magi. Am I incorrect in thinking that?

[AmADo VII]

Alice is pure magus.

[Benderesco]

Alice is pure magus.

I'm aware of that. From what I've heard, though, she is a deuteragonist, with Aoko and Sojuro as the protagonists whose thoughts we actually have access to. Am I incorrect in thinking that?

I ask this because my whole point was that spending an entire story witnessing the mind of a magus would be tortuous.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?

That sounds a bit like Clocktower 2015.

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Or is the ideal magus just that, an ideal, and more often than not magi as humans fail to live up to it?

[You]

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Or is the ideal magus just that, an ideal, and more often than not magi as humans fail to live up to it?

bingo

"Tohsakayou, you……!"
A voice filled with deep resentment.
"Geez, I guess it can't be helped."
She stops, and says goodbye to the boy that used to be the successor.

"Fine, this is the end, so I'll tell you.
Those who aim farther for others' sake. Those who think of others before themselves. …And those who hate themselves more than anyone.
These are the qualities of a magus. There is a place you can't reach, no matter how much talent you have.
…Humph. I never thought anyone would meet this condition. This is a contradiction you can only have if you're born broken."

"Shinji. You're a good example of someone who nurtures a needless inferiority complex by despising others. You love yourself so much that you believe everyone else is below you, even when they are superior in every way.
…You're empty inside. The only one who thinks you're full is you, and you're just like a balloon. Your destination changes depending on the wind."
"Uhguh."

[Byegod]

Pretty sure a pure magi story would just invoke audience apathy within a hour or two.

[TwilightsCall]

Is that not exactly what Zero was?

Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."

[Byegod]

Is that not exactly what Zero was?

Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."

I wouldn't call kiritsugu a pure magi, the only one who would fit would be tokiomi or kayneth and kayneth tends to disliked by a lot of people.

We're saying this at protagonists I think

[the god of world-0]

Alice is pure magus.

I thought Alice was a witch, and therefore still somewhat different from a regular magus

[Leftovers]

Is that not exactly what Zero was?

Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."

Dark themes are edgy, complex characters are jerks, and the average reader is mortally averse to subtext.

And that's just Zero.

[asterism42]

I thought Alice was a witch, and therefore still somewhat different from a regular magus

Her magic might be different but in mindset she's pretty magus-y

[Ratman]

I wouldn't call kiritsugu a pure magi, the only one who would fit would be tokiomi or kayneth and kayneth tends to disliked by a lot of people.

Kayneth fails at being a magus pretty hard. He's petty. A real magus wouldn't mind getting cucked in exchange for a goatse to the root.

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In FGO we get a bit more out of him, but from what we're shown in Zero he's no better than Shinji with circuits.

[You]

Most magus magus is probably wodime