Huh, never realized that. I always considered it more state sponsored terrorism which is only acceptable due to the enemy being literal totalitarian parasites. By the time it shifted headlong into it, I'd already been in for long enough I didn't see it.Originally Posted by Ratman
Binged All Of Gundam In 4 Years, 1 Week and All I Got Was This Stupid Mask
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Started Legend of the Galactic Heroes (14/07/23), pray for me.
notes has more subtlety to it than any other remotely 'HFY' adjacent thing nasu ever wrote, simply because the 'fuck yeah' insofar as there is any is tempered by the narrative of the death of the last baseline human. 'humanity' as such goes extinct in Notes. what endures are humanity's posthuman descendents, which are not necessarily much like humans. the 'ascent' of Fuck Yeah is correlated unspoken with an acknowlegement that the ascent also = the demise of 'humanity'
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
I mean, evolution of the species to promote a continuation of life in itself can also be a decently uplifting message too.
Well, as uplifting as the situation can get.
Hmm, I wonder if they went for the angle that the MC and Mash end up starting a new species by the end. Would that be a good way to cap it off?
Guda: "let's create a new species, Mashu!"
Mash: "S-Senpai!"
here is a list of my servant sheets(new and improved format for my servant sheets)
Come explore the White Library, and reach the bottom of this Abyss
Fate / White Memoria
Mythology is a hardly good source for HFY. Most traditional cultures have view humans in a pretty negative light. It's no coincidence that most heroes are demi-gods or the cultural equivalent of one.
Gods are the bad guys in mythology. Demi-gods are primarily heroes of man, often fucked over by gods in much the same ways.
Just look at how the Epic of Gilgamesh speaks about their pantheon. There's no sympathy for the gods there. Not much different in Greek stories either.
Where mythology differs from recent-Nasu is in its pessimism. FGO gives us the most pretty picture of reality.
Wasn't it mostly ishtar that gil disliked? even gil became deified post his death as well.
'who is the good guy' 'who is the bad guy'
this is how children read. enough.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
The straightforward notion of "good guy vs bad guy" isn't really characterestic of ancient mythology either. You could read the stories from this perspective, true, but a great many nuances would be lost.
For example, in the Epic Gilgamesh is initially portrayed as a tyrant who actively disrupts the livelihood of Uruk's denizens, and goes against Huwava because of glory-seeking and greed. On the other hand Gods create Enkidu as a response to the pleas of Urukians, and deity Shamash acts like Gilgamesh's patron throughout the story.
More importantly the source of Gilgamesh's greatness is his heritage. He wouldn't be able to perform the deeds he had if he weren't a demigod.
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Agreed to some extent, I mean there are times in greek myths when even the gods were like 'calm down dude' like tantalus breaking several taboos in front of the gods what with feeding his child to them and breaking sacred hospitality
I mean. Greek gods could be selfish and cruel, but they were also supportive and generous to people they liked. And, like, there're cases of them doing huge favours for people, just because said people were super nice and good. And there are other cases of them doling out punishment in a fit of anger, but then making up for it later.
My gripe was they even insist on calling themselves non human. The whole point of evolution is that modern humanity won't look the same in the future. Transhumanism will make us look completely unrecognizable, but we will still have the "man" part attached ad infinitum.
This is the part Nasu always seems to forget. Even freaking Magneto understood that Mutans and humans were one and the same. They were just the "enhanced" versions.
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The Greek gods mirrored normal people: they were almighty and could be cruel, but also nice. They had fears, feuds and insecurities. They lashed out for no reason and were really petty, but also really inspiring, selfless and generous.
In other words, they were normal. Normal people are not pious ascetics. Deities like Jesus are well above mankind's squabbles. The whole point of the Greek gods was that they weren't because of how wordly they were. They were essentially really powerful monarchs. I mean, look at the human heroes and you'll realize they did pretty much the same crap on a similar scale and they didn't need divinity to get the point across.
So Zeus can go "and you were lynching negroes" on Theseus.
Also, the main villains are based on Egyptian gods, and most of those fans still think Moses isn't a terrorist.
Something something your terrorists are our freedom fighters.
I mean if you think about it SG Command are pretty much a bunch of terrorists themselves. They basically found an alien race, and decided that because they disapproved of their government on moral grounds, they would Nuke their Head-of-State and begin a shadow war against them on behalf of not only the United States, but every government in the world.
I don't remember it that well, but I'm pretty sure gods are likened to dogs on one occasion (by the immortal human Gil encounters), and that they generally aren't favorably portrayed.
I always figured how Gil was handled in Nasuverse was a direct elaboration on that, but it could be I'm projecting back into the work more than what was originally there.
Wasnt gil just a tower of druaga reference, a lot of the stuff was post ad-hoc elaborations
One must also think of what the gods represent. For the most part they essentially are an exploration of rules, ideals and societal pillars. A representation of ideas, a name and face to give them. What gods you fear, what gods you hail as the greatest, what they are and what they do say a good amount about you. Just look at Zeus as the core skyfather for the Greeks, the man who keeps order and enforces civility and hospitality. Xenia's a hell of a drug. of course you also need to see things like the Fates, and also dangers and threats beyond the re-imagining of beasts and disasters as monsters and such and take them into consideration too.
Really just saying gods are dicks or ect is usually something that ends up making people stop thinking beyond that, so it's a bit dangerous I'd say.
No one is wrong in war. There are only those who are right and those who are dead. The question is who is remaining alive to label a particular person a terrorist or a freedom fighter. Ozy let the Hebrews live, so that they could vilify him and glorify Moses. No one glorifies Hong Xiuquan, and few glorify Amakusa, because those people who could do so were exterminated during the actual event.
Given that the whole story of the Jews in Egypt is a myth that never happened in history, I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here. Moses wasn't revered as a hero because Pharaoh let the Jews live, but because that's the kind of story the writers wanted to tell. And even in the story itself the idea that Pharaoh "let" the Jews escape isn't really accurate. Ozy gracefully ceding defeat and letting Moses go after he parts the Red Sea is purely a Nasuverse invention. In the Bible itself he chases after Moses with a whole bunch of chariots, which get destroyed when the Red Sea closes back up again.
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