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    You guys need to stop with the self-inserts I swear to god. How in the world is Mikiya supposed to be an insert??
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    your ability to be wrong about literally everything you post is truly astounding. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but you haven't been right once.
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    The gay pics were the most entertaining thing going on in this discussion.

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    People self-insert as Mikiya to imagine themselves fucking Shiki, I'd guess

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    Understandable have a nice day

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    Shiki is the only self-insert character in KnK. No, I will not explain.
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    Being the everyday man trope doesn't immediately grant you self-insert status. It's just a tool for the writer to explain what the hell is happening in a way that is understandable to a normal person who doesn't live in the setting, and thus wouldn't understand what would be common knowledge.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    Shiki is the only self-insert character in KnK. No, I will not explain.
    You mean the rich Yakuza heiress who has the ability to kill anything if she cuts it, is super strong despite her build, has a cool puppet arm made by the bestest puppet maker ever, says cool one liners, gets the guy at the end because she always had him, and is LITERALLY TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL?

    Not actually saying Shiki is a self-insert btw.

  6. #10886
    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    You guys need to stop with the self-inserts I swear to god. How in the world is Mikiya supposed to be an insert??
    anyone can be a self-insert if you're delusional enough. i know from experience

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    I thought self-insertion was a tool for immersion in the narrative, but it looks like it's just used for the reader to stroke their own ego.
    And what's sad about that is that it actually works.

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    Thats just cuz self-insertion means a different thing when i do it vs when anybody else does it. Unironically.

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    Just hate yourself so much you cant self insert into those situations

    /sadly taps head

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    Wait... did someone just self-insert as (any of the) Shiki? Do we need to call the police for possible murder cases?

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    Shiki is a famed trans icon so it's understandable

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    Shiki meme power is too strong.

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    SHIKI is the only trans in Kara no kyoukai. And I am not sure concept of gender applies to "shiki". Shiki is straight up heterosexual female. I am not sure where people get that.

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    For the boyfriend, does a guy comfortable in a female body they were born into count as trans for them though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoker View Post
    You mean the rich Yakuza heiress who has the ability to kill anything if she cuts it, is super strong despite her build, has a cool puppet arm made by the bestest puppet maker ever, says cool one liners, gets the guy at the end because she always had him, and is LITERALLY TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL?

    Not actually saying Shiki is a self-insert btw.
    You're not getting it. You're thinking only about superficial things.

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    SHIKI is the only trans in Kara no kyoukai. And I am not sure concept of gender applies to "shiki". Shiki is straight up heterosexual female. I am not sure where people get that.
    You're also not getting it. All characters in Kara no Kyoukai are "bisexual" to some degree. Read Plato's Symposium.
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    Why do I need to read another material other than the story itself. It's cringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sione View Post
    Shiki is a famed trans icon so it's understandable
    It fits with memetic stuff, but I'm not sure if it'd be good to say that beyond a joke considering the whole suicide with SHIKI.

    That said I don't know if I'd consider the girl that's the yin yang of someone who is really weird, in heritage, abilities, impulses and appearance. But actually wants something normal and is still relatively understandable as a person who contrasts with the opposite of normal looking, normal doing Mikiya who is batshit crazy really inside in some ways because of just how "normal" he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takashi View Post
    Why do I need to read another material other than the story itself. It's cringe.
    Applying the concept of "trans" to a character of which it is never stated in the material itself means you've already applied "knowledge" outside of the work itself in interpreting it. What Dullahan suggests is that you employ the knowledge in Symposium to your interpretation instead, because he feels it is closer in character to what is described in Kara no Kyoukai.

    Whether that's cringe or not is up to you, but you've already taken the action of applying it, so I suppose you'll have to live with being cringe.

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    It fits with memetic stuff, but I'm not sure if it'd be good to say that beyond a joke considering the whole suicide with SHIKI.

    That said I don't know if I'd consider the girl that's the yin yang of someone who is really weird, in heritage, abilities, impulses and appearance. But actually wants something normal and is still relatively understandable as a person who contrasts with the opposite of normal looking, normal doing Mikiya who is batshit crazy really inside in some ways because of just how "normal" he is.
    Yeah, I'm aware that the discourse consensus agrees that Shiki is mostly just a cis woman.

    Though, nonetheless I've also heard of a story that a famous VA also named Shiki who realized he's a trans man thanks to Shiki Ryougi specifically, so there's that for being a trans icon, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sione View Post
    Yeah, I'm aware that the discourse consensus agrees that Shiki is mostly just a cis woman.

    Though, nonetheless I've also heard of a story that a famous VA also named Shiki who realized he's a trans man thanks to Shiki Ryougi specifically, so there's that for being a trans icon, I guess.
    that's Foreigner Molay's VA.

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