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    writing an 'actual true magus' - has not been tried and found impossible. it has been found difficult, and left untried.
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    Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?


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    To understand why it is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the god of world-0 View Post
    Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?
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    Reading a work with a "pure" magus seems like an exercise in masochism, frankly. I can't imagine many people would enjoy spending hours upon hours staring at the feverish mind of a unidimensional, predictable madman.

    And if that happens to be one's thing, I'd bet there are lots of fanfics written by edgy teenagers that would suit their tastes.

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    Incorrect.
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    so ppl never played Mahoyo huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    Incorrect.
    What, that most people would not enjoy it? Or are you referring to the "exercise in masochism" part?

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    so ppl never played Mahoyo huh.
    I mean, I unfortunately do not speak japanese (yet). I don't speak French either, since I passed that one up to study German. As far as I know, Aoko is far from a stereotypical magi. Am I incorrect in thinking that?

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    Alice is pure magus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Alice is pure magus.
    I'm aware of that. From what I've heard, though, she is a deuteragonist, with Aoko and Sojuro as the protagonists whose thoughts we actually have access to. Am I incorrect in thinking that?

    I ask this because my whole point was that spending an entire story witnessing the mind of a magus would be tortuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the god of world-0 View Post
    Okay, but would such character even interest in the first place? Why would I want to read a story about a unsocial jerk just being an unsocial jerk and never changing?
    That sounds a bit like Clocktower 2015.

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    Or is the ideal magus just that, an ideal, and more often than not magi as humans fail to live up to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
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    Or is the ideal magus just that, an ideal, and more often than not magi as humans fail to live up to it?
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    Those who aim farther for others' sake. Those who think of others before themselves. …And those who hate themselves more than anyone.
    These are the qualities of a magus. There is a place you can't reach, no matter how much talent you have.
    …Humph. I never thought anyone would meet this condition. This is a contradiction you can only have if you're born broken."

    "Shinji. You're a good example of someone who nurtures a needless inferiority complex by despising others. You love yourself so much that you believe everyone else is below you, even when they are superior in every way.
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    Pretty sure a pure magi story would just invoke audience apathy within a hour or two.

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    Is that not exactly what Zero was?

    Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

    I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."
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    Is that not exactly what Zero was?

    Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

    I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."
    I wouldn't call kiritsugu a pure magi, the only one who would fit would be tokiomi or kayneth and kayneth tends to disliked by a lot of people.

    We're saying this at protagonists I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Alice is pure magus.
    I thought Alice was a witch, and therefore still somewhat different from a regular magus


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    Quote Originally Posted by TwilightsCall View Post
    Is that not exactly what Zero was?

    Sure, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms we can level against Zero, but I don't recall too many people saying "I just didn't care about what was happening." And it even had the handicap of the basic premise of the story spoiling the conclusion.

    I honestly can't get my head around the idea that "a story about a 'pure' magus would be boring." That's like on par with saying F/SN can't be interesting because "a story about a high schooler would be boring."
    Dark themes are edgy, complex characters are jerks, and the average reader is mortally averse to subtext.

    And that's just Zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the god of world-0 View Post
    I thought Alice was a witch, and therefore still somewhat different from a regular magus
    Her magic might be different but in mindset she's pretty magus-y
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byegod View Post
    I wouldn't call kiritsugu a pure magi, the only one who would fit would be tokiomi or kayneth and kayneth tends to disliked by a lot of people.
    Kayneth fails at being a magus pretty hard. He's petty. A real magus wouldn't mind getting cucked in exchange for a goatse to the root.

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    In FGO we get a bit more out of him, but from what we're shown in Zero he's no better than Shinji with circuits.

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    Most magus magus is probably wodime
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
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