Unpopular TM opinions you have

[Stoker]

We didn't get schoolgirl Ryugi though.

Such is the sacrifice.

[SeiKeo]

It is indeed a more serious of moments than many of the works of Nasu, which are for a shounen audience.

[Ideofago]

Nasu?

Shounen?





Nasu?




Shounen?

[zarathusta]

Yea nasu does have some shonen writing elements. In a charming way

[Mattias]

They are for shounen audience, but also serve as a critique of the genre. "Hey look at this guy who disemboweles himself for someone he met hours ago. Who does that? Someone with massive survivors guilt and no self worth.".

[Ideofago]

I can see Fate having some more shounen elements, but to me it's more chuunishit, which to be fair might basically be the same thing, but not necessarily. Tsukihime though, not really, at least the Far Side, because typical shounen audiences would be bored after the first 3 days without any fights. And good luck having any of them read a visual novel.

[nanami_shirotsuki]

IMO, Nasu's writing explicates each theme of each route in the VNs, also the Camelot, Babylonia, and Lostbelt 6. He carefully manages shounen, seinen, required to present the story. Kinda amazed by the way he presents the relationship between the charas, the way they are placed in a certain settings, etc. Though he also sometimes gives a very detailed explanation that he misses certain charas (like Sacchan in the OG Tsukihime VN, then Himuro Kaede Saegusa gang). So glad that he decided to add sacchan route later on tho.

[Ideofago]

For Fate, UBW is easily shounen, seen as it has the least heavy elements in tone and content. Fate sits somewhere in the middle, as its fights are way less bombastic in a sense, mainly Shirou always being backed into a corner and near death, much more than UBW at least. HF is just horror.

Tsuki, the Near sides, are some Seinen with a lot of Shounen crossover, as the battles and power levels and such are rather boyish, but the themes, things such as rape, lust, and murder also make their show in a less adolescent (fucking stupid) way, yet their focus on chuuni and action gives them a Jumpier vibe. Far side though, except for the end of Kohaku's and Akiha's routes? Not at all shounen.

[Deathhappens]

If you think any of Nasu's works besides maybe early KnK and Notes are not shonen you're deluding yourself.

[zarathusta]

Yea l think even his darkest stuff still is shonen honestly.

[Nanashi(kari)]

Chuunishit is just shonen for people who think they are too cool for it.

[aldeayeah]

It's definitely seinen, it has way too many big words

The typical shounen consumer will flee in panic after the first infodump

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Nah, so many shōnen have those infodumps, both old and new. What, is HxH not a shonen for you? Or JJK?

[Byegod]

JJk has fun infodumps
I suppose what i think of as a chuunishit infodump as "could this several paragraph be compresswed into two sentances or not?"

[Ideofago]

JJK is not that good an example IMO, since both it and Chainsaw are like in the middle between Seinen and Shounen, Chainsaw more the former, JJK more the latter. They feel like they're written for the 20 and 30 year olds that grew up on the big three. Today's true shounen is shit like Black Clover and BNHA, which also aren't that bad. I have a hard time being negative with popular anime these days because they're not actually shitty like Bleach after 2 arcs. Also, Nasu's lore dumps are something else; go to a normier otaku den and watch the uninitiated be mortified by something as simple as a watch order, it's rather impenetrable all things considered.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Shonen itself has shifted towards a more mature audience throughout the 2010s, as the ultraviolent shonen of the 90s seems to be making its spiritual return, and also because lots of fans of the Big Three are growing up or some equivalent trend in Japan. Otherwise, totally agree.

[Ideofago]

Not only that, Netflix and streaming's prevalence means stuff like Dragon Ball and Naruto are becoming sort of evergreen, along with Pokemon, Digimon, and the like, so it seems the big three are also not going anywhere aside from bleach.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

And even Bleach is coming back, both for the Thousand Year Blood arc anime and because of a potential sequel based around that one-shot Kubo recently wrote.

[Ideofago]

I guess so. Demons die old.

[Deathhappens]

It's definitely seinen, it has way too many big words

The typical shounen consumer will flee in panic after the first infodump

The key lies in what the infodump is about. Waxing philosophical about the suicidal impulse? Probably seinen. Explaining why the protagonist needs to have sex with the heroine right now in order to not die? Shonen.