Unpopular TM opinions you have

[asterism42]

I think Pseudos are fine, but there should also be a counterexample of what the spirit in question is like without the host's influence, a la Ishtar

[ItsaRandomUsername]

That means more Fate/ works. No thank you!

[Ideofago]

Why is Irun malding over FGO outside of the FGO subforum

[Mattias]

That sounds like a problem that a LV102 10/10/10 2K/2K fully-kitted out with CCs Sitonai doesn't have.

No bait.

I mean I've got the 10/10/10 part down, and lvl90 1k Fous. Still pretty potato, even when I had her with Tamamo and Waver, she was still putting out less than Melt with similar supports. Maybe Castoria will fix it?

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Why is Irun malding over FGO outside of the FGO subforum

It's a matter of course that I'll defend my wife's honor.

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No bait.

I mean I've got the 10/10/10 part down, and lvl90 1k Fous. Still pretty potato, even when I had her with Tamamo and Waver, she was still putting out less than Melt with similar supports. Maybe Castoria will fix it?

Well, yeah, Arturia C really lets her wake up and be the p gud/10 DPS she was meant to be, even at low NP levels.

[Hermitfold]

Good thing I like Psuedo-Servants.

Now this is an unpopular opinion I like to see!

[Mattias]

I'm on the fence about them until we get Sion/Arc/Ayoko Pseudos.

Or when Valentine's 2024 happens. Damn is she gonna drain my quartz.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

Arcueid, a Pseudo?

[Reign]

Kaguyahime Arc is too obvious to pass up

[Mattias]

Or any other Moon goddess aside from the Greeks. Khonsu is getting a lot of groundswell these days. Imagine an Event where every boss is already weakened because they fought 'the Moon' beforehand, Especially if Artemis is also running around, only for the finale to reveal it was Arc all along. Then the post story is just Her as support fighting all those bosses, set as a flashback and with the now normal 100%damage boost (300% with MLB CE).


Knowing my luck though Arc would be the SSR banner Servant and Ayaka would be the welfare.

[Altima of the Gates]

This god forsaken franchise has done so many things and the fanbase is spread so thin over all of it that a work about anything could be a reflection of the fanbase at some level.

The fanbase just has many camps and opinions, rather than being spread thin. Kinda like the FF fanbase.

As I've said before, TM does what they think is cool, fanbase be damned. If they end up bringing back the FSN masters and have them do a Shaman King esque gattai with Heroic Spirits, I wouldn't be surprised. Pseudo Servants was all over the place anyway, and nothing stops them from releasing the originals.
We got the goddess and divine spirit bits in the Sakura Five, but we still ended up having Bryn and Tiamat themselves after that years later. It literally just depends on what they want to do at a point in time and what fits their narrative.

So yes, people who want the original divine spirits, don't despair, there is a chance you get them at one point. And for people who want 5 star versions of just your favorite character, well hey, you have instances like Shiki and Fujino who were themselves, and we already have designs set up for the level 100 versions of certain Masters. It can happen.
You're just all at the whim of their particular tastes at the time. Like you always have been.

[Byegod]

The fanbase just has many camps and opinions, rather than being spread thin. Kinda like the FF fanbase.

As I've said before, TM does what they think is cool, fanbase be damned. If they end up bringing back the FSN masters and have them do a Shaman King esque gattai with Heroic Spirits, I wouldn't be surprised. Pseudo Servants was all over the place anyway, and nothing stops them from releasing the originals.
We got the goddess and divine spirit bits in the Sakura Five, but we still ended up having Bryn and Tiamat themselves after that years later. It literally just depends on what they want to do at a point in time and what fits their narrative.

So yes, people who want the original divine spirits, don't despair, there is a chance you get them at one point. And for people who want 5 star versions of just your favorite character, well hey, you have instances like Shiki and Fujino who were themselves, and we already have designs set up for the level 100 versions of certain Masters. It can happen.
You're just all at the whim of their particular tastes at the time. Like you always have been.

The FF comparison works somewhat, but FF also "resets" itself every numbered work, so if you didnt like 5 it wont have much influence on 6 in lore or writing or whatever. Fate itself is in this middleground with many alternate universes but the general base "world" being built throughout all of those alt universes.

Fate also far more draws on mythology than FF, while FF uses names and the occasional motif. It's much more centered on Original characters. vs fate using 'its actually shiva/gilgamesh/enkidu ect' Which for fate invites a lot more of a critical opinion for some.

[Mattias]

Hmmm, what would be a good videogame equivalent to Fate? Kiseki is the first that jumps to mind, being all in the same world, but those are all one singular timeline. Persona maybe with it's constant references to past works yet still having no actual effect on the current plot?

I've got it! Smash! The same mechanics throughout the series, yet each takes place in a separate universe where none of the past entries took place (Unless the plot deems them relevent).

[Nanaya]

SMT(Including spinoffs like Persona) and it's better than Fate.

[Byegod]

That doesnt work either, Id say the closest MAY be Dc or marvel with the fuckton of alt universes where alt settings or adaptions have elements transplanted into the main one if popular enough. Like harley quinn being a DCAU creation becoming what she is now (for better or for worse)

EDIT: I find maruki a far better way you could have done beasts than fate has honestly, in the whole love aspect.

[Altima of the Gates]

Mythology is unironically, undeniably, just ancient fanfiction. Molding and shaping that is what has kept series like this churning for so long.
Because it allows people to have room to speculate hard and IMAGINE. Especially that thing constantly told in Fate, these are "shadows" of who these people were, colored by humanity's interpretations through their stories, allowing for maximum character sheet manipulations.
So its perfect for the types who would pour hours into developing character backstories and discussing alternate plot lines.

^I always thought of Beasts as something humanity has to accept rather than reject in order to move on from them.

[TomPen94]

Pretty sure Altima's comparison with FFextended only to the fanbase.

I'm kinda torn on the "borrowed mythology" aspect of Fate tbh. On one hand it can serve as basis for a great spin on a character, as well as a great character in their own right, like the OG Saber. But it could also easily be "Hey we got HistoricalFigure#634 in our game. We also genderbent them for waifu points. Get rollin'!" and that feels cheap. Not like there can't be good characters even in the latter context. I quite like Musashi, for example, but a lot of the initial mysticism just isn't there anymore.

To me this whole HGW and Servant thing works best when it is the backdrop for the more core story of the work. Like in FSN the point is not the HGW, it's the evolution of Shirou's idealism.

Anyway this was just your Tom-moans-about-fgos-business-model moment of the week. Ignore as you please.

[Byegod]

Mythology is a lot of things, and the whole thing with colored by humanity's interpretations is fucking inconsistent, some characters have them when they should while others don't have them when they should and others have them for iffy reasons.

I mean many MANY servants should have innocent monster but dont, many GB that people thought were male dont have it, servants that have NPs that dont match history may or may not have it depending on the writer. It's as you said in a previous post, It's up to whatever the writers feelings at the time but I dont think thats a good thing if you want to be seen in certain ways

[AmADo VII]

the only way to prevent gender bend is to fire Takeuchi from Type-Moon or writer tries really hard to convince Takeuchi to not gender bend.

[Byegod]

Pretty sure Altima's comparison with FFextended only to the fanbase.

I'm kinda torn on the "borrowed mythology" aspect of Fate tbh. On one hand it can serve as basis for a great spin on a character, as well as a great character in their own right, like the OG Saber. But it could also easily be "Hey we got HistoricalFigure#634 in our game. We also genderbent them for waifu points. Get rollin'!" and that feels cheap. Not like there can't be good characters even in the latter context. I quite like Musashi, for example, but a lot of the initial mysticism just isn't there anymore.

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Honestly, I'm not sure by spin you mean originality or not.

But personally I feel one of the prime issue's I have with the arbitrariness and OC added parts is that often times, I find it either not nearly as interesting as the original myths. or it feels less like a 'interesting spin' and more 'subverting my expectations'.