Common TM Fanon and Misconceptions

[AAM1232]

Apparently Demons being the only ones to have Reality Marbles originally is a misconception. Faeries had the capabilities as well.

[Leftovers]

tl;dr

[AAM1232]

tl;dr

TMDict apparently missed a line about how Faeries and Demons originally were capable of having a RM.

[Leftovers]

Thankfully the one true gospel didn't.

[AAM1232]

Thankfully the one true gospel didn't.

So fuyuki > TMdict?

[Leftovers]

Fuyuki > everything. My question regarding TMdict is why use it at all if its own translations are shit when they aren't pulling from better sources (like Mcjon).

[All fictions]

Holy shit, fuyuki still exists? I thought it was nuked or lost to the fog of ages.

[Ratman]

fuyuki > seika doc > power gap > BL runers > Ye Olde Mirror Moon > shit > /fgog/ > TM wiki > leddit > official localization

[Leftovers]

seika doc > power gap > BL runers

wut

[Dullahan]

the original work > tmyougo > all that shit™

[Ratman]

wut

Seika doc is indeed just BL runers as you so eloquently point out, but it's BL runers recorded alongside relevant context of discussion that was had about the particular content. Now that people no longer remember what the conclusion of a question or a discussion upon a question was, and keep asking the same question again, a Seika doc-like system is inherently superior to what for all you know are just opinions (of people admittedly in the know). It's translation annotated by opposition. Gives you more than one point of view.

[Leftovers]

Seika doc is indeed just BL runers as you so eloquently point out, but it's BL runers recorded alongside relevant context of discussion that was had about the particular content. Now that people no longer remember what the conclusion of a question or a discussion upon a question was, and keep asking the same question again, a Seika doc-like system is inherently superior to what for all you know are just opinions (of people admittedly in the know). It's translation annotated by opposition. Gives you more than one point of view.

Asking the same question again is a good thing, actually, and certainly better than telling people to shut up and CTRL+F the big doc of answers. I don't see how preserving the conversational context of the translations is inherently superior to having the conversation again either; a lot of information that people used to go on was essentially a moonruner's interpretation.

[Ratman]

so gil totally beats that arc am i right

[AAM1232]

Yes? Or what, is this some kind of point you're making?

[Ratman]

Well, it's one of those questions that drains you of energy as you have to pull out the entire for and against structure that has to be brought up every time, and if you fail to remember any of it you can be sure somebody will remind you that Ea doesn't actually delete Arc's resources by deleting gaia's RM where it hits and what exactly does the truth of the world even mean and what exactly are the ramifications of being an average servant. It's a big headache to deal with. Or, you could point them to the seika doc, dead in the water as it is. Someone should update it because people like Kiara have a similar effect, but the amount of lost content by now is far too much.

Shiki can beat servants used to be its sister question, but now with Roogi in FGO and nobody even knowing about the other Shiki, it doesn't get asked as often.

[Reign]

Not to turn this into the VS thread but isn't Gil vs Arc as simple as her "Enemy Stats + 1" scaling only applies to Gil and not the weapons he shoots, so she can't account for those? I didn't think Ea got involved.

[Tobias]

Actually IIRC arai speculated (and I am inclined to agree myself) that arc’s back up probably does take into account the GOB, EA, etc etc and scales her up to be stronger then such.

gil wins anyway because he cheats like a motherfucker

EDIT: also the reason can Tohno Shiki kill servants is no longer asked is because Nasu slipped and actually answered it a while back. He can.

[Dullahan]

gil wins by default due to arc showing up over a decade late

[forumghost]

EDIT: also the reason can Tohno Shiki kill servants is no longer asked is because Nasu slipped and actually answered it a while back. He can.

Did he? The way I remember it was that when the question was asked of him he responded with an answer about Ryougi instead (presumably for trolling reasons).

[Tobias]

I remember that interview. What’s funny about it is at the time, I, just trolling, joked nasu responded that way because he assumed the question was about ryougi because it was so obvious tohno could do it. In retrospect, that’s probably what actually happened.

Because in a completely seperate conversation (written) he casually used the exact same kanji to describe arc’s spiritual body as he does servants. To put that another way, functionally as an existence, arc is a servant, just an extremely high class one. Shiki being able to kill her proves he would be able to do the same to any other equivalent or lesser spiritual body, a category most servants fall into.

It’s not completely impossible some might have a NP or skill that could get in his way, but as a question of “can he kill servants?” he can.