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    As for Yokai Servants, there's plenty of potential for what you could do for them. On one hand, making sheets based purely on the yokai could work pretty well. But on the other, I think it would be interesting if Toriyama were to somehow bestow four of his best minions with the Saint Graphs of Raikou's four retainers a la the Fairy Knights of the Round Table.

    And speaking of Raikou, she would definitely fit as a major ally in this Lostbelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    I gotcha, well if you don’t mind I have a couple ideas in the works I wouldn’t mind a second pair of eyes on. The first one I mainly need help thinking of other new servants that could help out Yokai Shogun Toriyama, I thought about just going the tamanoemae/Shuten dojo route and using actual Yokai as servants but I didn’t know if that idea was good enough on its own or if I should try combining their Saint graphs with another servant from Japanese history.
    as for the second, I’m mainly lost on how I can get the lost belt going. I want to go for a dragon slayers are now dragons themselves/side with dragons rather than humanity but don’t know if that’s more of a singularity or how to make the premise stronger.
    I would personally agree with lambda here, go for Mononoke, it's an interesting enough idea and it could allow you to explore some interesting ideas like "what measures or defines someone as human or inhuman" as well as "human morals" to cultures or beings which fundamentally human, possibly exploring the idea of yokai having a foreign, yet still well developed set of values and practices as a culture (for example Tamamo-Vitch seems to have some standards [she is somewhat disgusted by the people in Lostbelt 3 being left as mindless cattle and she fulfills her end of the begin to give Chaldeas the cure and despite hoping to get them killed in the process she does lead them to the other source of an antidote, meaning that Yokai may not believe in going against their the letter of their word or promises [although they may act against he spirit of it]]).

    Plus Yokai as a whole are a diverse topic which you could have a rather interesting conversation with yokai (basically they are considered the other half of Kami, in that Yokai are unworshipped Kami and kami are unworshipped Yokai [and depending on where you are talking about some kami may be considered as other as yokai [not to mention the yokai that were just invented by later writers or yokai that were invented to explain phenomena like why a house creaks at night or echoes in the mountains]] and thus they are different from traditional monsters in that sense, being closer to embodiments or nature or animals and creatures like that similar to kami) and there's no shortage of yokai to have as allies or enemies.

    Yokai.com could help a lot in this but just as a handful a ally spirit could be Shukaku (with his noble phantasm being having a giant teapot which pours out very hot tea on foes) a tank yokai worshipped as a local god by some and who was largely benevolent, you could have Dodomeki as either an ally or an enemy servant, and if you want to include Onryō (wrathful spirits, which depending on your definition may or may not be yokai) you could also include servants like Taira no Musakado, Emperor Sutoku, and Sugawara no Michizane and more with more powerful yokai turning up as boss monsters near the end.
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    Thanks guys, really appreciate the advice and points. Really like the idea of combining the Saint graphs of the four heavenly kings with Yokai similar to the fae round table we have right now. And thanks for the story motifs, that was another area where I know I was lacking. Like I knew I had the set up but no substance after the fact. I’ll definitely go ahead and start working on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    Thanks guys, really appreciate the advice and points. Really like the idea of combining the Saint graphs of the four heavenly kings with Yokai similar to the fae round table we have right now. And thanks for the story motifs, that was another area where I know I was lacking. Like I knew I had the set up but no substance after the fact. I’ll definitely go ahead and start working on this.
    The Fae Round Table Knights are my favorite part of Lostbelt 6 because the idea behind them is actually pretty interesting.
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    If you could have a second chance at life, would you have taken it?



    No

    That’s unfair of me

    Wanting to live is natural, isn’t it? Wanting to keep going despite knowing your time has come, I don’t think anyone would turn that down without at least considering it. And if they did? All the power to them



    I’m not like that, okay.

    I was a coward. I was afraid.



    I already died once.

    I’m sure you know the story. There must have been forty of us, brought together for the sake of saving human history after it was incinerated. We were supposed to be the heroes of the story.

    The ones who ‘reclaimed our future’


    ...

    What a bad joke

    We couldn’t even make it past the starting line.

    I don’t resent you though. You were the one who picked our slack after that traitor set us all up to die. You were the one who got to see those wonderful sights, fighting alongside heroes of all places and times. You did what we couldn’t and stood your ground until the very end.

    Gods, I’m jealous.

    But that 's fine. I don’t resent you.



    So, please… don’t resent me

    ...

    Anomaly detected



    Analysis complete


    ...

    Felling Theoretical Phenomenon


    We didn’t have a choice.

    It was this… or staying dead.

    I don’t want to die. None of us want to. Neither me nor the people of this land. They are innocent, their only sin was being judged as a dead end. A place where mankind dies.

    But you know… I died once


    I can relate

    They don’t want to die either.

    So, I’m afraid I can no longer be a part of Chaldea. I can’t keep living if it means I fail this task. And they won’t be able to live either if I fail. So I can’t afford to fail, you know? Because I want to live. Because they want to live.

    But that’s unfair to you.

    Chaldea wanted to live too. Proper Human History wants to live too.

    That’s why… I’m throwing down the gauntlet.

    I’m not saying you guys are wrong. I’m not gonna pretend I am helping guide humanity down a better, righteous, path. That’s just lip service from the others, they want to make sure the world we are saving is somehow better to convince themselves it’s the right choice.

    I don’t mind. I’ll fight for my [History]

    The [History] where I can keep living.
    ...
    So come, Chaldea, let the best Master win.

    ...

    Lost Depth… C



    Origin Point … 1540 A.D



    This is a story which started with a man. A man loved by his people who was both King and God. Who each year would inaugurate and maintain his rule by covering his body in golden dust before bathing. A ritual meant to grant him the [Right of Ruling], to assure his people that the King would do as they wished.

    It 's an old story. Passed down from word of mouth.

    A centuries old game of Chinese Whispers.

    The funny thing about that game is that the final message often turns out to be something completely different from the origin. So, the Man of Gold would eventually be passed down from parent to child. Generation to Generation. Each time becoming farther and farther removed from his origin.

    Yet his name remained the same.

    El Dorado.


    The City of Gold.


    The Lost Empire.

    That was the shape the legend took, many explorers delving into the depths of the unknown looking for this vaunted city of endless riches. This lost empire filled with strange wonders of the old world. If they could find it, if it really existed, then that would forever change the course of human history, their names forever etched into memory for centuries to come.

    In Proper Human History, this event never came to pass.

    El Dorado was just that.

    A myth, a fanciful tale explorers fooled themselves into believing was truth.

    The difference is that in this timeline, the original ritual which crowned the Golden King exists. It was discovered and by the hands of ignorant truthseekers… unleashed upon the world. Feeding on the dreams and desires of countless humans who sought the Legend of El Dorado, the ritual materialized their desires.

    A King.

    A Golden City.

    A Lost Empire.

    The ritual did what it was conceived to do, instate a new [King] and impress upon the King what must be done to assure that his subjects will prosper, as well as how to obtain the resources needed to rule a prospering nation. So what happens when the Ritual created to make a perfect king is tainted by the relentless greed of explorers searching for gold, and the dreams of a long forgotten utopia?

    It tries to reproduce those to the best of its capabilities.


    By creating a King capable of ruling an empire.

    But a King with no nation to rule or people to guide is meaningless. And that’s when… history changed forever.


    Tracking signal …




    Latitude… -2.163106
    Longitude… -55.126648



    Transmission located


    So you are coming after all…

    Good, I didn’t expected anything else from you.

    Perhaps earlier than I thought. After all, my [History] is middling compared to the others. But I assure you, I have something here that blows the competition out of the water. The perfect King created by a ritual sought by explorers and historians for centuries, all their condensed [Dreams] giving shape to an absolute ruler who won’t lose to anything Proper Human History has to offer.


    Data filed under LBK#1


    ...

    Designation
    LBK#3 - The Golden King


    You sure work fast!

    Guess I have my work cut out for me, don’t I? Need to set a good example to the other Crypters. Yeah, Crypters. That’s the name we decided to go with. You know how magi can be with their fancy names and missions statements, everything dramatic and bombastic.

    I’m sure one of them has already made a transmission. Some kind of declaration of war on Proper Human History, yeah?


    What a bunch of drama queens.



    Energy signature detected



    Texture Anchoring Successful



    ‘Fantasy Tree’ data filed under ‘Needle’ designation.


    This is it, huh?

    Might as well give you a tour.

    Welcome, Master of Chaldea, to the Lost Empire of the Golden Age


    El Dorado: Lost Empire of the Golden Age


    Pantheonic War for the New World



    Welcome to the world ruled by a Perfect Emperor.


    The Golden King.


    Autopia born from the [Greed] and [Hope] of humanity.


    So long as he remains in his Throne, the King is Invincible.

    It took me some time to get everything in order. It was hard work, but I wanted to live so badly even a no-good like me managed to find the nerve to get things done. I needed this place to survive, so that I could survive.


    Throne Activity Detected


    Simultaneous Ghost Liner Deployment


    Analysing Saint Graphs

    “The Wished King”
    Saver
    Sebastian
    “Princess of Rebellion”
    Leader
    Aqualtune
    “The Soldier King”
    Saber
    Pedro I
    “Queen of La Plata”
    Assassin
    Carlota Joaquina

    Ah, those four.

    Yeah, they’ve been annoying me for quite some time. Not that they managed to accomplish anything. They can’t make it through the jungle, and all they do is squabble over who gets to lead the resistance. Such strong personalities they have, its like having way too many cooks trying to be the Chef.

    Even if they are somewhat powerful, I think you will understand soon why they were the ones summoned and not more popular figures with much more power to their name.

    Rather, they were the only ones who ‘could’ be summoned.


    Failure to materialize Saint Graph


    Karmic Rejection detected


    Running simulations.


    Chaldea FATE compatibility checks

    Europe….15%… Asia…12%… Africa…23%… Oceania…0.3%…

    North America…53%


    Central America - 80%


    South America - 95%



    [Karmic Rejection]

    A phenomenon which completely denies the existence of individuals not connected to the local environment. Fame values are reverted, further weakening Servants who are not connected to my Lostbelt.

    You’ve been busy collecting allies from all over the world haven’t you?

    From Greek Demigods to Knights of the Roundtable, you have gathered quite the impressive party. Something like that would be way too troublesome to deal with, so I cooked up a little something to even the odds.

    Hope you have studied history.

    Because this land, the New World, won’t accept any but those who have proven themselves. Those born here. Those who fought and bled in its shores and fields. Don’t think for a second that you can treat my History like it is just one of the Seven Singularities.

    It will crush you.


    Atmospheric Ether Density


    … analysing…


    Irregular readings detected.


    Multiple high density ether signals located.


    5…


    12…


    27…


    55…


    You are only getting it now, aren’t you?


    That this world is different.

    That’s because, for over five hundred years, my Lostbelt has been regressing further and further into the Age of Gods. A world where humans live alongside monsters of the past and the gods. A perfect world where nature cannot be disturbed by [Greed] or [Hope]

    What reigns is the [Law of the Land]

    Overseen by goddess summoned from across the continent, connected to the remnants of humanity.

    The Mother of Monsters Avenger Kerana
    Chthonic Dragon God Gatekeeper Pachacamac
    Orisha of the Sea Caster Yemoja
    Twin Heroes of the Maya Archer Hunahpu and Xbalanque,
    Orisha of Thunder and Fire Berserker Shango

    Voice recognition successful

    Master File# 37



    Guess its about time I introduced myself… huh?

    I’ll try not to feel insulted that it took you this long to find out who I am… rather… who I was.

    I’m dead, after all. My body was trapped inside one of those coffins.

    I was called to chaldea because my experience in dealing with environments warped by high ether levels made me a possible trump card in areas where fauna, and particularly flora are affected and mutated by the presence of ether in the atmosphere. In short, there is no Lostbelt better suited to me than this world where Gods rule over an Empire in the unbraved wilds.

    Master, you are rambling.

    Sorry, am I?

    Yes. The enemy should be arriving soon. We must prepare.

    Guess I won’t be able to keep on ranting huh.


    The Emperor wishes to see you.


    I guess this is it, Chaldea.

    In a fight where both sides are struggling for survival, there is no place for good or evil. I’ve resolved to fight my hardest to keep on living in this [Pruned History].

    So that WE can live, Master.

    Yes, of course.

    We are ready and willing to fight for our future, Chaldea. Don’t disrespect us with pity. Come with the intent to kill, or you will be the ones killed.

    Such is the Law of the Land.


    To be Continued:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    Thanks guys, really appreciate the advice and points. Really like the idea of combining the Saint graphs of the four heavenly kings with Yokai similar to the fae round table we have right now. And thanks for the story motifs, that was another area where I know I was lacking. Like I knew I had the set up but no substance after the fact. I’ll definitely go ahead and start working on this.
    I can understand wanting to go that route, but I would also advise being careful about it, one major risk you run with having a combined saint graph is that you end up possibly leaning too far in one direction or the other to where it doesn't feel like it has enough of the elements of one side or has to much of the other. I would also say to maybe incorporate some fully original servants or yokai without combined saint graphs to maybe balance it out As while I also agree with Lambda-Nu that the combined Saint Graphs idea is an interesting one, I am far less fond of how out was handled in Lostbelt 6 in terms of the game of FGO itself (out of the 3 new servants that got dropped, only 1 was fully new with the other two being combined Saint graph servants which feel more like alters of existing servants we have than new servants in their own right [making the start of the Lostbelt 6 feel like a bit of a dud in terms of new servants in my eyes*])

    * Which is a risk you can run with the idea of alter servants in general as by their very concept they are alternative versions of existing servants and while sometimes that can result in something very interesting (Arjuna Alter), all too often they feel like they inherently don't feel as special as they could be or like they measure up to the character they are an alter of (as if I recall correctly we have never seen an Alter of a servant before we saw the original version, only after thus the Alters are in theory never the first exposure to a character and what they are like). As a result it might be prudent to have a bunch of new stuff as well to balance it out.


    ---------------------------------

    Also I see a new lostbelt, I'll have to get to checking it out a bit later.
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    So, here's an idea that popped into my head because of how my Church has been doing a Bible study on the Book of Exodus on Wednesday nights; what if instead of fleeing from the Promised Land because of the giants and being condemned to wander the wilderness for forty years, the Israelites were not deterred and continued into the Promised Land like they were originally intended to? I feel like that could provide the basis for a decent Lostbelt.

    But I am going to admit that I have no real intention on actually going forward with this one, so I'm just throwing it out there for anyone to pick up.
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    Cool work Wyvern, I was drawn into it. Looking forward to see more of it. Your style of presentation is always a joy to read. Meso/South America becomes even more interesting now. I only know stuff about the Aztec/Mayans and Incans, but I remember when I started looking over to Brazil I did not find much sources for mythology and thought perhaps it isnt really documented there. Guess I was wrong, I hope to learn more about your mythology!

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    Yeah, I imagine that it would be very hard to find information if you can't search for it in portuguese. Very little of it is translated and not enough is posted anythere outside of wikipedia. Though we don't have an overarching 'Brazilian Mythology', what we do have is a bunch of customs and beliefs which were brought over from Africa because of the Slave Trade at the time. There were also various tribes with their own legends, though I primarily draw from Tupi Guarani legends, as they seem to be the more readily available for research. There's also a lot of folklore that was brought over from Europe by immigrants and the explorers themselves so you can think of Brazilian Mythology as this hodge podge of a bunch of mythologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyvern View Post
    Yeah, I imagine that it would be very hard to find information if you can't search for it in portuguese. Very little of it is translated and not enough is posted anythere outside of wikipedia. Though we don't have an overarching 'Brazilian Mythology', what we do have is a bunch of customs and beliefs which were brought over from Africa because of the Slave Trade at the time. There were also various tribes with their own legends, though I primarily draw from Tupi Guarani legends, as they seem to be the more readily available for research. There's also a lot of folklore that was brought over from Europe by immigrants and the explorers themselves so you can think of Brazilian Mythology as this hodge podge of a bunch of mythologies.
    Your Lostbelt is Looking good i must say Wyvern although i am not so well Knowledge able in ist history ! are there appearing lso old World persons ? like some discoveres and Expeditioners likee Pytheas ?
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    I haven't included them on the lists because I have to comb through the canon servants. But there are some who could be summoned under the right circumstances. Explorers are definetely one of the exceptions to the rule. As well as those who actions affected the history of south america itself. For example, Napoleon was the cause for the Royal Portuguese family and their court moving to Brazil. So the man can be summoned there due to that link.

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    Nice jobe Wyvern. Can't wait to see more about your Lostbelt. I gotta learn a thing or two on how to write Lostbelts. BTW, do you plan on making the servant Carlota Joaquina or is it already done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Therion View Post
    Nice jobe Wyvern. Can't wait to see more about your Lostbelt. I gotta learn a thing or two on how to write Lostbelts. BTW, do you plan on making the servant Carlota Joaquina or is it already done?
    Oh, I already have a version of her done. But I am probable gonna revamp it for my new style. I had some new ideas for the Lostbelt versions of these characters so I will re-post my Sebastian, Joaquina and also make the Pedro I sheet. Not sure if I should edit Aqualtune as well.

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    Almost done with the character design and skills/NP for these guys. Plot is moving along now that I’ve refined the original “what makes it a lostbelt” section of the history. Kept the same overall idea just changed some things around a bit. Anyways here’s the reveal sheet for mononoke so far guess who is who and what class they belong too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    Almost done with the character design and skills/NP for these guys. Plot is moving along now that I’ve refined the original “what makes it a lostbelt” section of the history. Kept the same overall idea just changed some things around a bit. Anyways here’s the reveal sheet for mononoke so far guess who is who and what class they belong too!
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    I like it! Looks really nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    Almost done with the character design and skills/NP for these guys. Plot is moving along now that I’ve refined the original “what makes it a lostbelt” section of the history. Kept the same overall idea just changed some things around a bit. Anyways here’s the reveal sheet for mononoke so far guess who is who and what class they belong too!
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    I have zero knowledge on what your Lostbelt is about, only that the servants look asian. I can at least say with 100% certainty that the black one is an archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Ellis. View Post
    Almost done with the character design and skills/NP for these guys. Plot is moving along now that I’ve refined the original “what makes it a lostbelt” section of the history. Kept the same overall idea just changed some things around a bit. Anyways here’s the reveal sheet for mononoke so far guess who is who and what class they belong too!
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    That's some nice art, got me hyped.

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    So, here’s an idea for a Lostbelt that I just got but don’t really have the drive to complete myself, even if I do think it’s rather interesting:
    A Lostbelt that diverged sometime in the American Revolution that led to George Washington becoming an “eternal president” and creating an America that serves as “a shining beacon of hope, freedom, and peace” as the world outside of its borders collapses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda-Nu View Post
    So, here’s an idea for a Lostbelt that I just got but don’t really have the drive to complete myself, even if I do think it’s rather interesting:
    A Lostbelt that diverged sometime in the American Revolution that led to George Washington becoming an “eternal president” and creating an America that serves as “a shining beacon of hope, freedom, and peace” as the world outside of its borders collapses.
    *Insert Jojo part 7 joke here*

    Anyway, this has potential, but you may need an even greater divergence caused by Washington being eternal president. If canon LBs are any indication, the involvement of magecraft and/or Divine Spirits tend to be the easiest way for that. Seeing an LB that greatly diverged from PHH through man-made decisions alone would be interesting, though.
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    So it's one of those cases of 'misplaced prosperity' creating a utopia which reaches a dead end? After all, most countries and civilizations have high points and low points, but this version of America has become perpetously thriving at the cost of the entirety of the world outside it.

    Sounds like a pretty neat concept.

    Now onto Koga's Lostbelt:

    I can see that you took quite a lot of inspiration from certain Lostbelts. For example Aton absorbing the strength of other Egyptian gods to become the singular deity of Lostbelt Egypt being a similar thing that Arjuna did with the gods of his Lostbelt. Becoming a god combined of all others.

    I don't know enough about Egyptian history to properly understand the diversion point. But from what I can tell, you are saying that in Proper Human history, an action was taken which set the correct course of history. While in this Lostbelt, this same decision couldn't be reached, meaning that the ruler at the time was ousted from command and a new one took over.

    There are a lot of mentions of the gods that were captured.

    I think that you really need to focus on the events of the lostbelt as they relate to the state of the immediate area that will be explored by Chaldea when it arrives. Or by a Crypter character. Though having a calendar and proper timeline of events is interesting in its own way, I feel like your Lostbelt is losing an identity or proper overarching theme to the plot you built around it.

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