Mysterious Story of the Imperial Capital Holy Grail - Fate/type Redline

[mami-kouga]

Given how she treats him suggesting using the Grail to go to the future (not a bad plan to go back to when he belongs), I guess Kanata was right to lie and not mention that he's a time traveller. Tsukumo really wouldn't have believed him. Guess those who were complaining are proven wrong. The best move really was to not say anything

Saying he's a time traveller, and implying he's going to use the grail, an item his arrival basically got in the way of her attaining on her own with the servant of her choice, to do something ludicrous like time travel are two different things.

She may have laughed at him for the first one (assuming he wouldn't have been able to convince her of his claims) but she wouldn't have been as aggressive as she had been now.

Though I will concede that I forgot time travel was a complicated affair in the nasuverse

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Essentially she'd have probably threatened him regardless of if he implied using it for something besides time travel because as far as she's concerned he's fighting for her wish, not his

[Hawkeye]

I really like the character designs, like somebody said, they retain the feeling of the originals whilst still being new and distinct, and the subtle shots of CSes lets us know these are the majority of our masters. I'm curious though, given her affiliation to the Church, is Tsukumo solely our Akiha, or is she Caren as well and will end up summoning Lancer? At the moment, I assume our Caren stand-in will be some executor the Church sends when it's become apparent that Tsukumo failed to hold up her end. On another note, since we didn't get to see his face at all, I wonder if the Fuhrer Double will still be an allusion to Hitler, or, if to avoid courting controversy in a serious manga they'll rewrite him into being some other officer or occultist from the Nazis?

[mami-kouga]

Though honestly my previous ribbing of his choices was mostly in jest since time travel stories + family member of the opposite gender usually has a pre-determined outcome

[Lobo]

I really like the character designs, like somebody said, they retain the feeling of the originals whilst still being new and distinct, and the subtle shots of CSes lets us know these are the majority of our masters. I'm curious though, given her affiliation to the Church, is Tsukumo solely our Akiha, or is she Caren as well and will end up summoning Lancer? At the moment, I assume our Caren stand-in will be some executor the Church sends when it's become apparent that Tsukumo failed to hold up her end. On another note, since we didn't get to see his face at all, I wonder if the Fuhrer Double will still be an allusion to Hitler, or, if to avoid courting controversy in a serious manga they'll rewrite him into being some other officer or occultist from the Nazis?

The lady that replaces Medusa was talking about a member of the Church destroying their manufactured servants, that was def teasing of Lancer's master that will replace Karen in the story. The priest that send Tsukumo to the war replaces Ciel in the original story, Ciel also send Akiha to the HGW there and should appear again later
Fake Fuhrer's face was never shown in the original manga, he was always kept as an eyesless mob, so I wonder what will they do here
If the story keeps with the general layout of the original, then next chapter or the one after that, Tsukumo should

Spoiler:

get attack by Izou and taken out of comission for a while, I'm being wondering if that's why old her is on a wheelchair on Kanata's memories

[Hawkeye]

The lady that replaces Medusa was talking about a member of the Church destroying their manufactured servants, that was def teasing of Lancer's master that will replace Karen in the story.

Oh yeah, I assumed that meant Tsukumo since she's technically there for the Church, but I don't even know if the Reich know about her existence let alone affiliation, so good point, that must be it. Thanks for the fill in.

[Lobo]

Oh yeah, I assumed that meant Tsukumo since she's technically there for the Church, but I don't even know if the Reich know about her existence let alone affiliation, so good point, that must be it. Thanks for the fill in.

I think they should have got a report, like the japanese army, that someone else got to summon Saber and all that happened on the train already.
Also, I don't think they would treat Tsukumo as a member of the Church since she's just a mage with an alliance with them. The point of the beginning was the Reich trying to kill her before she summoned her servant, but now they should know someone else did that

[mami-kouga]

The lady that replaces Medusa was talking about a member of the Church destroying their manufactured servants, that was def teasing of Lancer's master that will replace Karen in the story. The priest that send Tsukumo to the war replaces Ciel in the original story, Ciel also send Akiha to the HGW there and should appear again later
Fake Fuhrer's face was never shown in the original manga, he was always kept as an eyesless mob, so I wonder what will they do here
If the story keeps with the general layout of the original, then next chapter or the one after that, Tsukumo should

Spoiler:

get attack by Izou and taken out of comission for a while, I'm being wondering if that's why old her is on a wheelchair on Kanata's memories

Finally I'll see my beloved dumpster dog!

[BananaShiki]

I think they should have got a report, like the japanese army, that someone else got to summon Saber and all that happened on the train already.
Also, I don't think they would treat Tsukumo as a member of the Church since she's just a mage with an alliance with them. The point of the beginning was the Reich trying to kill her before she summoned her servant, but now they should know someone else did that

Yeah I also assumed the Nazis were talking about Tsukumo. Since even though she's not really a church person, she was contacted by the church to participate, and the church were the ones who gave her a catalyst as well.

[Lobo]

Yeah I also assumed the Nazis were talking about Tsukumo. Since even though she's not really a church person, she was contacted by the church to participate, and the church were the ones who gave her a catalyst as well.

Yeah, re-reading it I can see how it looks a little ambiguous, but then on the conversation between Tsukumo and the priest on 2.1 they established that Tsukumo is view as disposable/to fill-in the last spot, and the priest mentioned someone else is gonna be send as well anyway (i.e. Lancer's Master)
So, putting the two conversations together, to me it makes more sense that the nazis are talking about this character already being on the move rather than Tsukumo and the train incident



Edit:
Also, thinking about it from a meta-narrative perspective, leaving the conversation between the nazis ambiguous actually helps. Like, for new readers that don't know the original story and aren't expecting determinate character to appear, the nazis had this conversation and one immediatly jumps into thinking they are talking about the train incident that just happened, when later is revealed, no it was actually teasing for the introduction of this character that was moving in the background all along

[Hawkeye]

Also, thinking about it from a meta-narrative perspective, leaving the conversation between the nazis ambiguous actually helps. Like, for new readers that don't know the original story and aren't expecting determinate character to appear, the nazis had this conversation and one immediatly jumps into thinking they are talking about the train incident that just happened, when later is revealed, no it was actually teasing for the introduction of this character that was moving in the background all along

Wait for the big reveal, the Church Master is Kirei's mum in her teens.

[Lady Vanatos]

Wasn't expecting Chapter 3.2 so soon. Bananashiki works fast.

[ballinamon]

I really like the character designs, like somebody said, they retain the feeling of the originals whilst still being new and distinct, and the subtle shots of CSes lets us know these are the majority of our masters. I'm curious though, given her affiliation to the Church, is Tsukumo solely our Akiha, or is she Caren as well and will end up summoning Lancer? At the moment, I assume our Caren stand-in will be some executor the Church sends when it's become apparent that Tsukumo failed to hold up her end. On another note, since we didn't get to see his face at all, I wonder if the Fuhrer Double will still be an allusion to Hitler, or, if to avoid courting controversy in a serious manga they'll rewrite him into being some other officer or occultist from the Nazis?

What is so wrong about use Hitler? you know this franchise so I don't think actually matters. Btw, I think I remember him in the last chapters of the Original but maybe I remembering incorrectly?

[Bobin]

you know this franchise so I don't think actually matters.

Uhh yes, it's Japanese and the story takes place in Japan during WWII so it completely matters.

However this is all a rabbit hole I don't think it'll ever dive into besides the surface level military aesthetic most stories feel safe enough dipping only their toes into but we'll see I guess.

[bassgs435]

Imagine being too coward to use actual nazis who existed when doing your serious chuuni story involving WW2, instead resorting to only fictional nazis
Post made by Dies irae gang.

[Deathhappens]

Hitler is a naughty word nowadays, you can literally get banned for using it regardless of context (hopefully not on this forum, but definitely on many online platforms).

That aside, I'm curious about Tsukumo. If she's a shoshin shomei mage, why hasn't she killed Kanata already? Given how Okita didn't make a peep when she basically put a gun to his head, she's clearly not afraid of reprisal. If she's the "got a soft spot" type, why go that far for a threat to begin with?
I mean, I'm pretty sure I'll get a disappointing answer to this, but there's always a possibility.

[pinetree]

Because she wants him alive so she can get the Grail.
Why would she kill her only option?

[mami-kouga]

Yeah she's just scaring him into submission, like when Rin chased Shirou to ge8 him out of the war

[Gabriulio]

I'm willing to bet next chapter starts with the reveal that Okita was behind Tsukumo the entire time, her blade ready to strike and saying "unhand my Master if you like your head being attached to your neck" in a cold voice. That's going to create a rift between Kanata and Okita as Okita will DEMAND they part ways with Tsukumo for Kanata's safety while Kanata doesn't want to leave Tsukumo because grandma.

And since they don't know about him being from the future and he refuses to reveal that, it'll make him sound incredibly crazy and unreasonable. And he can't reveal the truth either because he already told them he doesn't remember anything, so it'll have the opposite effect and make him sound even more crazy (well, unless he shows them the LN, but that's an entirely different can on worms).

[Deathhappens]

Because she wants him alive so she can get the Grail.
Why would she kill her only option?

Why would he be her only option? She could just rip the command seals off his corpse, the way Kirei did. Heck, Rin did one better in a bad end, she took the command seals and left Shirou completely unharmed with no memory of what happened. Granted, we don't know what level of expertise Tsukumo is operating with (iirc they said she was self-taught in the first chapters?) but it shouldn't take much if you're willing to brute force it.

[Comun]

Kanata is self-taught and therefore a one-trick-pony. Tsukumo is a real mage, but from a lackluster family.