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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylascream View Post
    Kanata thinks the explosion happened in May 8th because that's what the TV shows in his time. That doesn't show any proof that the explosion indeed happened on May 8th, for as we know Church might just manipulate the events for some reason or another.
    That doesn't make sense.
    How would they get the entire world to believe the massive city-wide explosion happened in a different month entirely? Why even introduce that plot point?

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    If so, then the HGW should've happened way earlier back in May, with Tsukumo and Saber (which Saber I wonder) in tow. But Kanata appeared while she was on her way to Tokyo, and hasn't even summoned a Servant yet. It's possible that with the other Servants are already summoned, the HGW can still happen way back in May without Saber's involvement, though imagining the War to happen for over three months without any casualties of Masters or Servants is quite a stretch. Things just don't add up here.
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    What was the time period between the original 3rd Fuyuki Holy Grail War and the redux Imperial Grail War? Do we know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnesFleetingGlory View Post
    Things just don't add up here.
    Yeah but imo this is hinting at this being an entirely different timeline instead of his own.
    Or some kind of illusion his gramma used to try and redo things because of her regrets.

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    It being some sort of dream or simulation that Tsukumo made to ease her guilty conscience makes sense with both this discrepancy and how time travel is supposed to be True Magic territory. But then on the other hand, we have Kanata starting to disappear when Tsukumo was dying.

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    Actually, I don't think we need to worry about justifying the time travel in relation to True Magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    Actually, I don't think we need to worry about justifying the time travel in relation to True Magic.
    True, but if I recall correctly, the protagonist himself mentions earlier on in the story that time travel's more on the lines of True Magic, right? So if the story itself brings up that relation, it's more likely an important plot point.
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    Well they suggest it could be the influence of another unusual entity (i.e. Probably Maxwell's Demon) Since clearly some stuff changed between the light novel and the current events, if the Caster summoned in the original version of the war was different, that might account for the shift in timing. Or it could be that the war actually took place in August and later time shenanigans cause a retroactive explosion in May, I dunno.

    We do know from Fate/Zero and the like that summoning of servants and the actual war can be almost a year apart, so its not impossible for certain factors to have shifted the war itself by three months, we'll just have to wait and see how this one happened.
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    D'aw, bonding. This didn't feel like they're meshing all that well yet, but I'm hopeful we'll see this conversation revisited at appropriately dramatic moments in the future.

    Not gonna speculate on the story yet, but it definitely seems to be different to the Imperial Grail War we've seen before. Wonder just how many chapters they're setting this manga to be for- could easily see this go for another 60 if they keep this pacing.
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    D'aw, bonding. This didn't feel like they're meshing all that well yet, but I'm hopeful we'll see this conversation revisited at appropriately dramatic moments in the future.

    Not gonna speculate on the story yet, but it definitely seems to be different to the Imperial Grail War we've seen before. Wonder just how many chapters they're setting this manga to be for- could easily see this go for another 60 if they keep this pacing.
    That depends on whether you count the actual chapters or the snippets we are receiving.

    Also, I do not think it is a parallel universe, after all we could see at the beginning how time was rewound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    Actually, I don't think we need to worry about justifying the time travel in relation to True Magic.
    The only thing this means is "this is its own timeline"

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    Would there really a need to clarify that though?

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    Somewhat? It helps to clarify that "this is not the Official Third Holy Grail War". They're not writing the prequel to Fate/Zero here.

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    Just got told that May 8th 1945, the day of explosion incident in this manga, is the day Germany surrendered in WWII. This kills the theory that the hourglass pulled Kanata to normal history, since he's now in a world were both the explosion incident never happened and the Third Reich is still an active war force in August.

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    My understanding is the guy called "Fuhrer" here is a fake, and the actual Hitler is long dead by the time of this war. So it could be Reich holdouts, I suppose. I'm inclined to believe there's more timeline fuckery going on though given the explosion date already went by without an explosion.

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