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    Stray servant and punished mashu feel very different in conception so I’m going keep my Ajax headcanon thank you very much.

    Though gotta say, the personal motives punished mashu has directed towards Shirou throws me for a loop since with everyone else it’s always been the sins of the predecessors being passed down. Would’ve worked with the DEEN adaption, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Also Assassin doesn't exist here because of Shielder so Ryuudouji is unguarded.
    Caster is a lot more proactive and it feels like Fate with the Caster parts of UBW put in there.
    maybe ernest was the master that medea killed off to summon assassin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobin View Post
    Stray servant and punished mashu feel very different in conception so I’m going keep my Ajax headcanon thank you very much.

    Though gotta say, the personal motives punished mashu has directed towards Shirou throws me for a loop since with everyone else it’s always been the sins of the predecessors being passed down. Would’ve worked with the DEEN adaption, I guess.
    I really like the idea of another survivor that blames Shirou but the way this is worded.
    She has a personal grudge against Shirou for being a survivor and the fact that he abandoned her when she was calling for help in the fire after a building crumbled upon her. Or at least that's how she saw.
    Kinda makes it sound like the conclusion would be that Shirou never actually abandoned her which seems kinda weak.
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    Why this concept was discarded ?

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    Stray Servant was scrapped from the original VN because they had too many heroines already. The first time we heard of her in Side Material said she was dropped at the same time as Caster and Rider's routes. https://www.tmdict.com/en/ha.stray-servant

    I assume Unpublished Material says somewhere why they decided to drop her route from the anime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxas View Post
    maybe ernest was the master that medea killed off to summon assassin
    ....that actually makes quite a bit of sense. Well that's at least some logical headcanon to keep for now.
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    Although Rin defied Caster's expectations, Caster lands a curse on her in this fight. (As the days pass it grows like a tumor, Caster's magic circuits dig in and steadily invade Rin)


    So at least during the planning of this anime Nasu believed Medea had magic circuits.
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    What's those spear thingies on proto!Lord Camelot design

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    It looks like it would have been an entire fortress instead of just a defensive wall, complete with weapons and apparently even a throne?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamerad View Post
    What's those spear thingies on proto!Lord Camelot design
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    It looks like it would have been an entire fortress instead of just a defensive wall, complete with weapons and apparently even a throne?
    Those are the designs for this
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    If I reading it right, it seems the shield uses the curses of the dolorous stroke and siege perilous as attacks (?) which activates if anyone else other than Galahad touches the shield
    That's pretty cool, why Mash's doesn't do that?

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    So the shield itself will shoot a spear at you if you touch it?

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    One of the biggest changes in this version is Zouken died in HGW4 so Sakura and Shinji don't know much about the HGW and Sakura is a normal person with circuits.

    And Shinji got Rider's catalyst, her dress, from Kotomine.

    It doesn't talk about how he summoned her or anything like that.
    Sakura is Caster's doll and she tries to use her as the core of the Grail. Like in the DEEN anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    So the shield itself will shoot a spear at you if you touch it?
    Basically yeah, Galahad got them because of how they are tie to his legend on how he's the only that could seat there unharmed/cure the curse of the lance

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    It sounds like a lot of Caster's role in this was retained when most of it got scrapped in favor of what the anime became.

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    Way I see the ideas evolved:
    F/sn VN Stray Servant (nixed) > DEENime Shielder (rejected) > F/GO Senpai (finally allowed) > Fate/unpub mat (modified DEENime stuff, enough for public artbook release)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxas View Post
    maybe ernest was the master that medea killed off to summon assassin
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    ....that actually makes quite a bit of sense. Well that's at least some logical headcanon to keep for now.
    While I do love that idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Basically yeah, Galahad got them because of how they are tie to his legend on how he's the only that could seat there unharmed/cure the curse of the lance
    I think they're reusing that by giving Mash a pile bunker and Sion wanting to upgrade it with the black barrel replica i.e. longinus, in Notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    I think they're reusing that by giving Mash a pile bunker and Sion wanting to upgrade it with the black barrel replica i.e. longinus, in Notes.
    full circle
    Cool, because honestly I would like to see it on the battle animations

    I think this wasn't mention, but the Round Table turning into a shield is because of the NP "Around Round Shield"
    Nasu says calling it shield is a misdirection of the fact is actually a table (you know, to keep the audience guessing on Shielder's true name and such)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnoniMauuss View Post
    While I do love that idea...
    That's the VN version, Shielder 1.0. This is Shielder 2.0, who would have been in the Deen anime. Her backstory is a girl who died in the Fuyuki Fire, then 10 years later Ernest revives her and makes her a Galahad demiservant for HGW5.

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