The only mention of the Gatekeeper in canon is saying it's the Class that Moby Dick would normally come out as, so my personal interpretation is that it's an Extra Class not meant for heroes, but for obstacles heroes (successfully or not) try to overcome. If I had to guess other Gatekeeper candidates, I'd say stuff like the Lernaean Hydra, the Behemoth, Fafnir, Ravana, Jormungardr, or Scylla.Originally Posted by Skull
I also remember reading it was originally considered to be Gilgamesh's Class instead of Archer, but I don't know how that'd fit his legend.
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Didn't even occur to me since I was more thinking what Gatekeeper could mean in the metaphorical sense (somebody who stands stalwartly over a given place/concept and ensures no one can pass through) rather than a literal gate. But yeah, I guess that could've been the reason...
Oh yeah, that was a thing. Fate/complete material II mentions that the initial plan for Gilgamesh was having him to have the irregular class Gatekeeper in order to build up a red herring that Gilgamesh was Shirou as a Servant. That's why the name Emiya means "keeper of the palace".
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Come, Wayfarer.
Your journey must have been tiresome.
Have a bite of this sweet fruit.
Wasnt it mentioned that Gilgamesh was once planned to be a Gatekeeper? The class itself is still obscure so I think to use as another iteration of Shielder in a sense of a protector is okay. Like Leonidas, the angel that guards the gate to Eden or to stretch the concept keepers of knowledge like librarians and stuff.
Anyways, Alter-Ego
It is funny that i just yesterday found a style how to present a Servant i am working on and you did that today in your sheet.
The usage of alter-ego to assassin fits perfectly and it is really smart to use it that way. The concept prompts me to reiterate an older sheet of mine too.
So cool and interesting sheet. One of the coolest ways to make an Alter-Ego sheet I've seen so far
wtf something wrong with the server of the forum? since few days i have connection issues and just saw that several posts werent shown to me.
Bosch: Ive been waiting for a nice sheet of that guy. His art is creepy and your depiction of him, including the FC, fits really well. Because he is an artist I wish you couldve added a painting of his in the NP to show the scene he envisioned.
As usual, cool sheet. Do the forum a favor and make blog post with a list of your creations so far.
good point about the list, i'll see to it
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oh and thank ye
Comun's interpretation vibes pretty well with me,
it makes sense with watcher and gilgamesh.
I'd even say that Vritra should qualify for Gatekeeper.
If I remember correctly, the Gatekeeper Class was originally going to be Gilgamesh’s Class before he was changed into an Archer. And as Comun said, it’s now relegated to the Class Moby Dick would qualify for. So combining those two ideas together, I would say the Gatekeeper Class is something of a guardian or obstacle, protecting something important and/or standing in the protagonist’s way to be removed and overcome.
That being said, I think the signature Class Skill could be something like as long as the Gatekeeper Servant is standing before whatever it is they’re guarding, or otherwise in the environment of their defense (say Moby Dick is in the ocean), they gain a boost to their stats in general. It could be called smth like Gate Guardian.
On Watcher's standard Class being Gatekeeper:
On Watcher being Moby Dick:
Letter count matching "Moby Dick, also known as Leviathan". Moby Dick being female is explained by her being Leviathan. Other hints include Watcher's appearance being a giant whale, Melt in FGO constantly playing coy about Leviathan's appearance and poorly trying to disguise it with the penguins, Waver's exposition in Fake 06 explaining Watcher's trials with how The Belly of the Whale is a part of The Hero's Journey. Also Kingprotea's Noble Phantasm explaining why Watcher can't be manifested with mass:
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I mean, Moby Dick is very directly compared to Kingprotea, whose gimmick is that she can grow infinitely in the Mooncell's virtual world, but can't in the physical world because the Counter Force's pressure is constantly warning her not to grow past a certain threshold. Her NP is using the Mooncell's virtual world as Reality Marble so she grow larger than what the physical world allows. So my interpretation has always been that Moby Dick/Leviathan can't be manifested with because it simply grew too large to exist at some point in time.
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Hieronymous Bosch: I audibly muttered an "Oh, shit" when I saw Caster's true name. Malus Malum is a terrifying NP, just as you'd expect from the man who painted the Garden of Earthly Delights. His eerie, detached nature, while providing some comfort, also adds to the terror of what he could do with his abilities. One last touch I'd like to comment upon is his encounters with vampires: it implies some very interesting things about his worldview, as well as hints at a wealth of experience with the supernatural that has helped shape him into who he is.
Servant Assassin:
Appearance:
Source
True Name: Timoclea
Alignment: Neutral Good
Alternate Class: Avenger
Armament: A sword inherited from her brother Theaganes. While Assassin is an untrained girl rather than a warrior, her Mystic Eyes (Fateweaver) Skill allows her to swing the blade with surprising skill against an opponent she hates, as if her strikes were carried out by some higher "fate" beyond her own will.
Strength- D+
Agility- D
Endurance- C
Mana- D
Luck- C+
NP- D++
Personality
Class Skills:
Presence Concealment- E
A talent to cut off one's presence as a Heroic Spirit. At this rank Assassin can't truly block out her presence but merely "soften" it, making herself less noticeable. She'll easily melt into crowds and even when she's the only other person in the room it's easy for an unguarded individual to instinctively overlook Assassin, as if she couldn't possibly be a threat.
In return, as the level of concealment is weak to start with there's little in the way of a recognizable drop when Assassin prepares to attack.
Personal Skills:
Admonishment To The King Of Conquerors- B
The sublimated anecdote where Assassin was brought before Alexander the Great to plead her case for killing the Thracian general who defiled her. Assassin held her own before the mighty king without showing any doubt or fear, unhesitantly declaring that she was a proud sister of Theban warriors and would choose death to submission. Impressed by this unassuming woman's strength of spirit Alexander ordered her crime forgiven and her family to be taken care of for the rest of her life.
That act of rebuking the man who'd go on to conquer much of the known world has been brought forth as one of Assassin's Personal Skills. Makes possible for Assassin to defy any "proof of authority" exerted upon her, including mind-dominating Magecraft and even the coercive power of a Command Seal, though this would greatly tax Assassin and can only be done once. Additionally she exudes a subtle form of Charisma towards those of royal blood, making her words seem more persuasive than they might otherwise be.
Mystic Eyes (Fateweaver)- E+
A dormant power inherited through the priestesses in her family. The ability to visualize the "threads of fate" and forcibly alter・manipulate them. As she never discovered this gift in life, usage is limited that when Assassin resolves from the bottom of her heart to "kill someone", she obtains a subconscious insight into the best means towards realizing that objective. A thrown rock, a sword slash or even a single word uttered--- all are oriented towards ensuring the demise of the person she hates.
Perhaps, it was no coincidence the writer Plutarch likened her to a furious Clotho in the moment of her revenge.
Noble Phantasm
So this is probably the last sheet I'll be posting up here in a while. I just came across her on the Rejected Princesses site and thought she'd make a cool choice for a Heroic Spirit. A woman ballsy enough that freaking Alexander the Great had to respect her, even though she killed one of his generals. As usual any comments and critiques would be appreciated. Thanks for reading y'all!
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her hobby turns out pretty scary when you read her NP.
Her NP is what i like the most. Conceptual punishment related to her anecdote done right.
Strange to see only 2 personal skills. For fun i wouldve thrown in Throwing (Stones) as a skill, like the one Hassan skill.
Why would iskandar be her natural enemy tho? He showed her respect and cared for her family.
Yeah, that hobby was meant to be the sort of thing that seems innocuous at first but turns creepy when you find out her legend. Glad you liked her NP. I see what you mean about having only two Personal Skills, but her legend just isn't big enough to justify more IMO. I considered a stone-throwing Skill, but it seemed too cheesy and I already folded that aspect in her NP (BTW I see what you did there with that "thrown in" pun). Besides a bunch of Servants in canon, even famous ones like Medea and Spartacus, had only one or two Personal Skills. It's mainly GO that introduced the idea of every Servant having at least 2~3 Skills.
To address your last question, Natural Enemy isn't just for people the Servant hates. It can also be someone they'd have a hard time fighting, or a natural rival (for instance, Caules' Natural Enemy is his sister). In Timoclea's case it's because she recognizes Iskandar as a "worthy opponent" of sorts and she's one of the few women he truly respected. On the other hand, there is certainly still some lingering resentment on her part, since Iskandar is still responsible for the conquest that lead to her rape even if he didn't play a personal part in it. So I figured it was fitting for him to be her Natural Enemy.
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