Create-A-Servant 3

[Morg van Destro]

Huh, so it's pretty much confirmed then. I will say that his "masterpiece" NP being an abstract blend of colors and shapes doesn't seem to fit Hitler very much since he was known for adhering strongly to a realist style of art. Unless you were inspired by a painting of his I'm not aware of I presume that's a case where his Servantverse incarnation was just different than the one in our world? Also I literally just got the "Hollow Cost" pun. That's definitely groan-worthy.

I was going more for the artist that just unleashes themselves in abstract art onto a canvas. Hitler painted almost exclusively landscapes, and apparently around 1,000 are still missing somewhere because he was pretty prolific, so I was thinking akin to the landscape of the soul. You can excuse it a him being different, perhaps leaning more abstract since the universe he resides in is itself off-kilter in many ways, but I just tend to write what I feel and figure out why later.
Hint 2: A terrible pun. I genuinely thought it'd be one of the biggest giveaways.

Hmm. Not actually seriously considering but I wonder if Oskar Schindler "counts" with regards to that ban

Meanwhile, Eichmann's on my list. Just been waiting there... as the months pass... staring at me. Definitely not for Christmas, though.

[RoydGolden]

Meanwhile, Eichmann's on my list. Just been waiting there... as the months pass... staring at me. Definitely not for Christmas, though.

I imagine a Servant Eichmann would have some Skill or NP that makes others misinterpret his intentions based on how he was used by Hannah Arendt as an example of the "banality of evil". Also a false variant for Protection Of The Faith from his obsession with Zionism.

[Anju Addams]

I'm actually going to surprise people who know me and reveal that I have no actual problem with Hitler/Nazi/WWII Servants as long as they aren't glorifications or anything absolutely braindead like SaberfaceLoli!Hitler or Saver!Anne Frank (sorry Royd...). Just do something with Hitler's occult obsession if you don't want to go into all the other terrible shit he did.

Heck, even I've got a Nazi Servant Sheet somewhere for an old Worm fanfic idea wherein she was the first major villain, summoned by the E88.
However, if the competition rules states NO NAZIS/HITLER for the competition thread, then I will stand by this opinion. Competition rules are rules guys.

[NINE-lives]

I personally see Hitler sheets as boring and mainly relying on the shock factor of Hitler. I’d honestly love to see a Hitler sheet that satirizes Hitler by portraying him as just another angry little man. You also might as well go all the way and portray Hitler as being cartoonishly evil to the point of making him an evil of humanity (possibly embodying mankind’s sin of discriminatory).

[Kabalisto Koga]

I'm actually going to surprise people who know me and reveal that I have no actual problem with Hitler/Nazi/WWII Servants as long as they aren't glorifications or anything absolutely braindead like SaberfaceLoli!Hitler or Saver!Anne Frank (sorry Royd...). Just do something with Hitler's occult obsession if you don't want to go into all the other terrible shit he did.

Heck, even I've got a Nazi Servant Sheet somewhere for an old Worm fanfic idea wherein she was the first major villain, summoned by the E88.
However, if the competition rules states NO NAZIS/HITLER for the competition thread, then I will stand by this opinion. Competition rules are rules guys.

honestly i am finding the whole modern war type servants as rather uninteresting as the War is just who has the biggest Gun and its not more dependet on the spirit of the Humen and for me are Soldiers today just gadget users and no more true Warriors . i am one which hates fire weapons .

aside that am i not do one servant of the two world wars as i dont want to look at the events there to be honest .

[NINE-lives]

Hey Anju Addams, are you gonna participate in this month contest?

[Anju Addams]

I personally see Hitler sheets as boring.

I'd rather have that that literally anything else. The best Hitler Sheet I've ever seen was just a normal dude with average Charisma, the power to make a bunch of shitty guns, an Anti-Non-Aryan skill which boosted the damage output of his guns against 'undesirables' and a fake Longinus that made him and allies POTS-style lucky.
For a non-occult based Hitler this is all that's needed. No weird shit, just an evil bastard who got lucky one too many times.

Hey Anju Addams, are you gonna participate in this month contest?

No. My Christmas is full enough as it is.

[Lambda-Nu]

You do know having Hitler be literally satan contains arguably more edge than keeping him human? The only Hitler sheet I'd approve of is a shitpost that turns him into a pathetic, mocking caricature of himself.

(Quietly sits in the corner typing up a Hitler Rants Parodies Hitler sheet with Pencil of Doom NP)

[NINE-lives]

https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...93#post3124893

Remind me of this sheet for Kim il sung.

[Lady Vanatos]

I admittedly find the Nazi ban, while completely understandable yet strange all the same. I'm not by no means saying that to defend Nazism or the Nazi's themselves before someone gets that in their head but rather what makes them ban worthy outside of the obvious factors most people think of? Is it the evil they committed and still perpetuate to this day? Most likely, sure but the legacy of evil men and women can be found outside of Nazism and its dregs everywhere in modern soceity. Is it perhaps not wanting to idolize them in a way under the term 'Heroic Spirts'? Also fair, however, we all know at this point astoundingly evil men and history have made their way to the Throne and unfortunately you don't really need to be a 'hero' to be on said Throne? Or is it how many people typically present these people in their sheets themselves?

Is it perhaps the amount of evil, death and misery they perpetuated in life and in history? Of course, this is also valid. But what of other even men and women that has have sheets made of them on this server and perhaps haven't at this point. Stalin? Mao? Hell, Genghis Khan as it were mentioned have no similar 'soft' ban from what I can tell and yet if we were to look at mere death counts, those three men killed more people and arguably lead to more suffering than those inflected by Hitler and his entourage. And I say this not to diminish in anyway the atrocities committed by Hitler and those under him. That's not my point. But what I mean to say is: Why can't you do a Nazi sheet if you are writing them as the monsters, they are without necessarily giving spotlight these people or "worship" as I assume some might fear. Presenting them as monsters and only monsters without diminishing or tarnishing the memory of the victims, if one were to execute that sheet well, should be fine, correct? And I'll freely admit I might be playing devil's advocate in the eyes of some, but this is mostly me coming at this from me being a history major, and I tend to or at least try to look at subjects objectively.

[NINE-lives]

I guess it’s because they were so recent and Europe Is still healing from the scar’s of nazism.

[Leftovers]

It's because asterism finds it distasteful and he runs the contest.

[Lady Vanatos]

It's because asterism finds it distasteful and he runs the contest.

In that case, I get it. But I meant more like, in this thread than anything.

I guess it’s because they were so recent and Europe Is still healing from the scar’s of nazism.

This is true and mostly certainly play's a factor. But time ultimately has no precedence on the acts of evil outside our own perception, whether it's personal or as a society. Using Genghis Khan as an example again, he raped so many women that a good chunk of the Asian and by extension world population is descended from him as well as killing 11% of the world population at the time. Just cuz something happened only 70-80 years ago verses several hundred years ago don't diminish the evils of either.

[Kabalisto Koga]

I admittedly find the Nazi ban, while completely understandable yet strange all the same. I'm not by no means saying that to defend Nazism or the Nazi's themselves before someone gets that in their head but rather what makes them ban worthy outside of the obvious factors most people think of? Is it the evil they committed and still perpetuate to this day? Most likely, sure but the legacy of evil men and women can be found outside of Nazism and its dregs everywhere in modern soceity. Is it perhaps not wanting to idolize them in a way under the term 'Heroic Spirts'? Also fair, however, we all know at this point astoundingly evil men and history have made their way to the Throne and unfortunately you don't really need to be a 'hero' to be on said Throne? Or is it how many people typically present these people in their sheets themselves?

Is it perhaps the amount of evil, death and misery they perpetuated in life and in history? Of course, this is also valid. But what of other even men and women that has have sheets made of them on this server and perhaps haven't at this point. Stalin? Mao? Hell, Genghis Khan as it were mentioned have no similar 'soft' ban from what I can tell and yet if we were to look at mere death counts, those three men killed more people and arguably lead to more suffering than those inflected by Hitler and his entourage. And I say this not to diminish in anyway the atrocities committed by Hitler and those under him. That's not my point. But what I mean to say is: Why can't you do a Nazi sheet if you are writing them as the monsters, they are without necessarily giving spotlight these people or "worship" as I assume some might fear. Presenting them as monsters and only monsters without diminishing or tarnishing the memory of the victims, if one were to execute that sheet well, should be fine, correct? And I'll freely admit I might be playing devil's advocate in the eyes of some, but this is mostly me coming at this from me being a history major, and I tend to or at least try to look at subjects objectively.

Well if you mention it do i think after i have read into Genghis Khan that his mentality were more understandable as he lived in a world with rather antique standarts comparable to some bc Age People as there werere no law and the Tribes did permanentely gighting each other this is not comparable with just the society problems of the others speciallyy as Genghis has a honorable personality in a sense during the others are just insane .

i wond judge if others are makig them as servant but i wont make them into servants as i dont want to research into their Madness . i just want to comment that after researcches of theold Monarchies and modern Dictaturs i think between loyly Tyrants and great Monarchs s there a difference .

Also we have now a world history discussion thread if you are intersted to participate there Vanatos.

[NINE-lives]

Can we please get a mod to stop this stupid fucking discussion?

[Lady Vanatos]

Oh calm yourself child. But yes, didn't mean to start that but I just had to say it is all.

[Leftovers]

Can we please get a mod to stop this stupid fucking discussion?

Not as long as it's civil and on-topic. There's this here button you can use to report a post if you think a mod should intervene. Do it if you feel it's necessary, but try asking people to stop first?

[NINE-lives]

This thread is getting derailed by this conversation.

[Kabalisto Koga]

This thread is getting derailed by this conversation.

some discussions are though not unitinteresting i like to add .

[RoydGolden]

In that case, I get it. But I meant more like, in this thread than anything.


This is true and mostly certainly play's a factor. But time ultimately has no precedence on the acts of evil outside our own perception, whether it's personal or as a society. Using Genghis Khan as an example again, he raped so many women that a good chunk of the Asian and by extension world population is descended from him as well as killing 11% of the world population at the time. Just cuz something happened only 70-80 years ago verses several hundred years ago don't diminish the evils of either.

I don't have a hard problem with anyone doing dictator Servants either but I think you're taking a too "objective" stance here. While yes evils committed deep in the past aren't objectively any less bad than those closer to the present it's natural that the cultural attitude towards them would be quite different. If you were to take something like the Holocaust or Trail of Tears, there's people now who are close in living memory to victims of those crimes and still suffer discrimination to this day. Alexander or Genghis may have killed an equal or even greater number of people, but no group now identifies with the victims in the same way people do with the Holocaust. When so far into the past it's closer to the realm of literature than history and so more fair-game for making Servants IMO. There's a saying in comedy not to crack jokes about tragedies less than 40 years old and I can see why people would apply that here as well.