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    Any other commentary on my Niemeyer?
    It's a cool idea. Vaguely recall you brought up working on a sheet for him a while back, so it's nice to see you found the inspiration to finish it. Not familiar enough with the RL guy to know how lore-accurate this is (aside from the obvious fantasy elements of course), but the idea that he met ORT and based his architecture off its crystal valley is certainly a creative one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    It's a cool idea. Vaguely recall you brought up working on a sheet for him a while back, so it's nice to see you found the inspiration to finish it. Not familiar enough with the RL guy to know how lore-accurate this is (aside from the obvious fantasy elements of course), but the idea that he met ORT and based his architecture off its crystal valley is certainly a creative one.
    My first idea was : he "killed" ORT, and later used its remains to build his most famous project, Brasilia (Brazil capital), and that's why everyone there is crazy. But as someone pointed out at the time, it would be hard to fit something like that in a plausible story (he being a simple executor and all) so I decided to let it go ~
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    It's a cool idea. Vaguely recall you brought up working on a sheet for him a while back, so it's nice to see you found the inspiration to finish it. Not familiar enough with the RL guy to know how lore-accurate this is (aside from the obvious fantasy elements of course), but the idea that he met ORT and based his architecture off its crystal valley is certainly a creative one.
    Brasilia looks nuts enough to be the Crystal Ravine, honestly. No Niemeyer building looks normal or standardized and the city map itself is airplane-shaped.

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    Servant Lancer:

    Appearance:

    Source (On the right. Yep, he's a Waver-face. Deal with it.)

    True Name: Pericles 'The First Athenian'

    Alignment: Lawful Good

    Alternate Classes: Rider, Caster, Ruler, Launcher?

    Armament: A simple staff carved from olive-wood. Lancer mainly uses it to point and gesture while orating, but can also brandish it as a weapon in close combat. When forced into prolonged battle Lancer instead summons his Noble Phantasm Vrontí Ritorikí.

    Strength- B
    Agility- B+
    Endurance- B
    Mana- A
    Luck- A+
    NP- EX

    Personality
    A calm and collected man with a rational disposition. Being a politician he believes in the power of words over force of arms. For Lancer war is merely a failure of diplomacy, and should be avoided whenever possible. However as a pragmatic man he still recognizes that sometimes you have to fight wars in order to end them. So as much as he dislikes war he is willing to reluctantly fight when necessary. In that case he will devote himself to ending the conflict as efficiently as possible, granting no quarter to foes.

    In the Grail War Lancer prefers to avoid revealing his spear and instead try to resolve conflicts through negotiation rather than violence. He personally dislikes being summoned as Lancer, regarding himself as a simple orator and not a fighter. Despite the nigh-unrivalled power having one of Zeus' thunderbolts brings him, he'd rather rely on his words. For when he finally draws his spear, that can only be a signal that he's willing to go all-out and annihilate the enemy with everything he has.

    He gives off a somewhat lazy vibe, but that's just his natural cautiousness. When he's properly ascertained the situation Lancer will rush forward and act with lightning-like speed. Put that way, perhaps he truly is most fitting as the Heroic Spirit of the Spear...

    Lancer deeply loves Athens, cherishing its culture, art and philosophy from the bottom of his heart. For Lancer, his city is his greatest treasure and he would do anything to protect it from harm. Conversely he has a natural rivalry with Spartans, who he tends to look down on as muscleheaded idiots. Lancer is a strong believer in Democracy, that the common people have the right to decide their own future. He despises those who'd arrogantly restrict people's freedoms while believing it's "for their own good".

    Despite being a great orator, Lancer is actually a rather shy person in private. Before going out and delivering a speech he'll always spend some time 'psyching himself up' to make sure he doesn't bite his tongue. He's also rather embarrassed about his big forehead, which he often got teased for as a kid. Lancer wears a military helmet whenever he's in public to cover it up. Only if he really trusts someone will Lancer take off his helmet around them.

    Lancer shows a keen interest in architecture. Having lead the building of the Parthenon and many other great works, he's greatly appreciative of everything that goes into crafting a building. While his favorite is Greek architecture, he's curious for the architecture styles of other cultures and the modern day as well.

    In his free time Lancer enjoys wandering the city he's summoned in and taking notes on the architecture. He can even be caught 'fanboying' over other particularly famous buildings, like the Eiffel Tower or Hanging Gardens of Babylon. For that reason Lancer would be delighted to be summoned alongside legendary builder Heroic Spirits like Semiramis and Ramesses, so he could marvel at their monuments firsthand.

    Behind his dauntless demeanour, Lancer hides quite a few regrets over the course of his life. He deeply grieves that his beloved city of Athens crumbled apart only shortly after his own death. He detests his incompetent successors who lead Athens to ruin by their short-sighted actions. While grateful that Athens' cultural legacy still survives to the modern age, Lancer wishes a different ending could've been reached in his life. His desire for the Holy Grail would be to avert the plague that took his life in proper history, surviving long enough to ensure that Athens' golden age doesn't prematurely rot away.

    Likes: peace, Athenian civilization, Democracy, building projects
    Dislikes: war, muscleheads who don't listen to reason, his spear, tyrants
    Talents: oratory, founding a golden age
    Natural Enemy: Cimon


    Class Skills:

    Magic Resistance- B+
    Confers protection against magical effects. At this rank spells with a chant below three verses are nullified. Even if targeted by the likes of High Thaumaturgy or Greater Rituals, it is difficult for the Servant to be affected. Normally Lancer would only sport a modest level of resistance, but it has been ranked up by his Protection Of The Pantheon Personal Skill.

    Magecraft presided over by any of the Twelve Olympians washes off Lancer, leaving him unscathed regardless of rank.


    Personal Skills:

    Charisma- A
    A composite Skill that consists of one's natural charm as well as the ability to command armies in battle. Boosts the ability of allies in group battles. At this rank, one can be said to have attained the highest level of charisma for a human being. Lancer was a brilliant statesman who lead Athens to its renaissance. He was renowned for his gifted oratory, inspiring the Athenian people with his thundering speeches.

    Protection Of The Pantheon- EX
    Demonstrates the divine protection of all
    Dii Consentes
    twelve Olympian Gods
    . An utterly exceptional Personal Skill only held by those who were favored by all the gods in life. Lancer possesses it due to his reforms that spearheaded Greek civilization, leading to glorification of all the gods. In artwork and plays, he was equalized with the Greek gods. He's depicted as the protege of Athena, or an incarnation of the king of gods Zeus.

    A composite Skill that confers Lancer a bevy of auspicious effects. It ranks up all his parameters, serves as Divinity at rank C and permits Lancer to use upon acquisition any Noble Phantasms belonging to the Greek gods, even if he never had any anecdotes of wielding them in life. Magecrafts and curses that call upon the wrath of any of the Olympian gods will also fail against him.

    This Skill is what enables Lancer to invoke his greatest Noble Phantasm- Cecropia Anagénnisi.

    Ceremonial Reformation- A+
    A Skill which improves the functionality of the peoples and lands under the user's control. Lancer can enhance any territory he secures for herself. A castle would have its defenses strengthened, a Mage's workshop would be able to better gather Mana, a garden would bear excellent fruits, etc.

    Lancer can also lend his patronage to specific individuals, empowering them to the level of low-tier Servants. However this can only be done for a few people and strains Lancer's Mana greatly.

    Having propelled Athens from a humble city-state to a bastion of artistic and intellectual achievement unrivalled in the ancient world, Lancer boasts a high rank in this Skill. He had a keen eye for identifying talent in others, patronizing many great artists like Phidias to design works for his Acropolis.

    War Of Attrition- C
    A Skill based on Lancer's "Grand Strategy" that he used against the Spartans. It was a wholly defensive strategy focused on wearing out the enemy through repeated skirmishes rather than launching a strong offensive. Lancer believed he could draw out the war long enough to exhaust the Spartans without needing to crush them militarily.

    Crystallizing this concept, every time Lancer blocks or parries one of the opponent's attacks he'll leech a small amount of Mana from them. This is normally too small to be noticeable, but after deflecting many of the foe's strikes they'll start to find their Mana heavily depleted. Eventually, they'll become too exhausted to fight and just collapse.

    This Skill makes Lancer ideally suited for drawn-out defensive battles. Theoretically he could win a battle against an enemy Servant without having to throw a single attack. However a stronger Servant could just overwhelm Lancer before the Mana-drain has a chance to reach disabling levels.


    Noble Phantasms
    Vrontí Ritorikí
    He Whose Words Resound As Thunder


    Rank: C/A+

    Type: Anti-Unit/Anti-Fortress

    The crystallization of Lancer's oratory that was likened to a thunderbolt itself. Lancer was said to have "wielded the thunder of Zeus on his tongue" and this Noble Phantasm is the literalization of that anecdote. It takes the form of a small lightning bolt-shaped tattoo on Lancer's tongue.

    This Noble Phantasm allows Lancer to control electricity to a minor degree around him. He can only conjure a few sparks, and can't generate current powerful enough to be harmful. Seemingly useless, its secret strength is that Lancer can even manipulate the bioelectricity found in the muscles and nerves of humans and other animals. Lancer wields this ability in conjunction with his oratory, compelling foes to obey his pronouncements by hijacking the electrical impulses in their nervous system.

    When humans move it's by sending an electrical signal from their brain to their muscles, so by shortcircuiting that process Lancer can control people's movements in a puppeteer-like way. For instance, if Lancer ordered the opponent to "Kneel before me!" he could forcibly crush them to the ground. If he ordered someone to choke their best friend they'd find their hand reaching out to do so against their own will. For those unknowing of his true power it'd seem that Lancer has some telekinesis or brainwashing Noble Phantasm.

    However, Lancer's control is still rather weak. It can be resisted by high levels of willpower, and could only momentarily disable a Servant. If they realized its true nature, most Mages could easily disrupt it simply by circulating Mana through their body to dispel Lancer's control. Lancer also finds this power distasteful because it conflicts with his philosophy of leadership. He believes that a ruler should inspire their subjects to follow their commands, not forcefully dominate others to their will. But Lancer will still use it when needed to defend himself.

    Lancer could theoretically hack computers with this ability, because they're also powered by electricity. But given his lack of experience with them it'd take some practice for him to be able to do so.

    Upon the true name release this Noble Phantasm shows another function. Lancer opens his mouth, and tendrils of electricity begin swirling around his tongue. They grow greater and greater, ionizing the air with electricity, until a storm is brewing in front of Lancer. He then releases this ability to launch a massive beam of crackling lightning from his mouth. This is actually one of the true thunderbolts of Zeus. Piercing all in its path like a spear, it enforces the judgment of the King of Gods upon the unlucky target(s). An exceedingly powerful attack that can reduce an entire fortress to ionized particles.

    However using this function "burns out" Lancer's tongue, leaving him unable to draw on any other applications of this Noble Phantasm or indeed even speak for the next 48 hours. For an orator like Lancer this is a highly debilitating cost, and it goes without saying he won't use this trump card carelessly.

    Lancer can also manifest his epithet in the form of a physical spear he wields. A towering javelin wrapped in crackling swirls of lightning, with a jagged blade echoing one of the King of Gods' thunderbolts. This lends him the Skill Mana Burst (Lightning) at rank B, but seals all other functions of this Noble Phantasm while active.

    Since Lancer is an orator whose weapons are normally his words rather than a blade, he uses this when forced to fight in close quarters.


    Cecropia Anagénnisi
    Thy Old Glory Be Rejuvenated, Now Testify To My Eternal Might


    Rank: EX

    Type: Anti-World

    The legendary Acropolis of ancient Athens. In his greatest accomplishment Lancer ordered the citadel splendidly reconstructed during his reign, propelling it to heights of grandeur far greater than had ever previously been tasted. The crown jewel of Athens, shining far and wide as a symbol of its city's golden-age. While called "Acropolis" that's actually just a generic title meaning "highest point" in Greek. The citadel's true name is the Cecropia, after its mythic founder the serpent-king Cecrops.

    Despite not actually creating the Cecropia, due to his role in "breathing new glory" into it Lancer can manifest the citadel as his own Noble Phantasm. The acropolis itself came to symbolize Periclean Athens and the aesthetic and cultural accomplishments obtained under his rule. Upon proclaiming this Noble Phantasm's true name, Lancer plants the butt of his staff into the earth. On this cue the ground begins to rumble and quake violently. The acropolis rises up beneath Lancer, cracking the earth apart in its ascent.

    Upon surfacing it rises higher, still higher, soaring up into the air itself. The majestic citadal is now ensconsced aloft in the sky. An absurd sight that far defies what Lancer would've been capable of in life. If human art strives to reach the gods, then this Noble Phantasm is a true recreation of divine work. Echoing the city of the gods extolled in Greek myths, Olympios.

    A Divine Construct, molded by human wishes yet breathed life by the gods. That is Lancer's Cecropia.

    A Bounded Field surpassing even Reality Marbles. A citadel of fantasy sculpted by human hands. The dream Lancer glimpsed, ardently reached for and finally obtained in life, sublimated into the First Athenian's most unsurpassed Noble Phantasm. Atop the
    throne
    control seat
    at the center of the acropolis, Lancer can freely access all its functions and bring them to bear against his foes. Being built to honor all twelve Olympian gods, the citadel is divided up into sections each devoted to and blessed by their respective deity.

    These sections impose "trials" on invaders reflecting the authority of their patron god. Like that; Hades' chamber is a virtual underworld, Athena's wing is a labyrinth filled with fiendish puzzles that require the greatest wisdom to unravel, Aphrodite's infatuates the opponent with sultry illusions to guide them astray, Ares' room is an all-out gauntlet where the "intruder" must face many mechanical warriors to pass, and so on. Of course, Lancer himself can freely wander the halls unmolested and bypass the associated trials, having the blessing of all twelve Olympian deities. This blessing also applies to anyone he deems allies.

    Within this Noble Phantasm Lancer can also animate the Athena Promachos statue built by Phidias to occupy the acropolis. The statue is a golem-type familiar, 30 feet tall and made of bronze. Modelled after the wisdom goddess Athena, it wields a colossal spear in one hand and a gorgon-emblazoned aegis on the other. It's essentially a secondary Noble Phantasm, with stats akin to a Knight-Class Servant.

    The statue can shoot purging beams of light from its spear tantamount to B-ranked Noble Phantasms. The gorgon-shield it bears imposes a terrifying effect that ranks down the stats of enemies who face it unless they pass a mental resistance check. It has Skills Goddess Divine Core (False)- A and Eye Of The Mind (True)- B. Once destroyed the statue can't be summoned again, rendered unusable for the rest of the Grail War. It has no true will of its own and just follows Lancer's orders, like an automata.

    Lastly, here Lancer can call upon the legendary first king of Athens Cecrops I who allegedly built the acropolis. Due to the legend where he was a
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    , Cecrops takes the form of a massive dragon coiled around the entire acropolis. Normally a docile beast, Cecrops is highly protective of the acropolis. If anyone tries to destroy it he will become enraged, spreading his huge leathery wings and spewing flame everywhere. Lancer can also just summon the dragon as his personal mount, letting him qualify for the Rider Class. Cecrops has as Skills Breath Of The Dragon (Poison)- B, Guardian Beast- C and Monstrous Strength- A+.

    Normally summoning and sustaining such a grand work as the acropolis would demand immense reserves of Mana far beyond what Lancer is capable of. Only the combined faith and support of all Athenians across past, present and future makes such a miraculous feat possible. It's the "great dream" of not only Lancer himself but all his followers who wished for a reborn Athens, one where the nation could shine gloriously on the world stage.

    An unrivalled feat of High Thaumaturgy that only Lancer, one who stood astride the last "golden age" of the Grecian world, could rightfully possess as his own. Whether he's loved or cursed as a man, the achievements Lancer engraved upon history through his legendary building projects will never be forgotten, and continue to be proudly extolled by Greeks everywhere. Their faiths constitute this Noble Phantasm.





    So Koga and I were trading ideas via PM for a Pericles Servant, and that gave me the inspiration to write this one out. I may have wanked him a bit (more like a lot) but I think that's fairly fitting for the progenitor of the Greek "golden age". As usual comments and critiques would be warmly welcomed. Thanks for reading!

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    So, any thoughts on Pericles?

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    As you yourself have admitted, he's really wanked, but I only attribute that wank to the effects of Protection of the Pantheon. Being able to use all the Olympians' NPs is too much, I'd tone it down to a sort of buff-fest at best. His first NP is a really ingenious way to join electricity with oration, and it's good to see you even referenced mecha-Zeus' mouth-beam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Padoru View Post
    As you yourself have admitted, he's really wanked, but I only attribute that wank to the effects of Protection of the Pantheon. Being able to use all the Olympians' NPs is too much, I'd tone it down to a sort of buff-fest at best. His first NP is a really ingenious way to join electricity with oration, and it's good to see you even referenced mecha-Zeus' mouth-beam.
    Because you meention it what is your oppinion About the Olympics as Maschine Deities ? I wasnt very fond of that to be honest ,but what do we know About the Nasu verse Atlantis actually as i have an servant that could have it as noblephantasm ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabalisto Koga View Post
    Because you meention it what is your oppinion About the Olympics as Maschine Deities ? I wasnt very fond of that to be honest.
    It's dumb honestly and one of the many things I dislike about FGO in general along with Servant wanking and the Mesopotamian Gods being a fucking space-virus or Lu Bu apparently being a robot now. I prefered when Fate was classed as magic realism rather than literal brain-rot stuff like that. Back when the series had an actual respect for cultural history. It's probably why I end up being so salty all the time. Like why do we need Kamen-Rider Mecha as Greek Gods? The Greek Gods are interesting enough without being bastardised as super alien mecha that primitive cultures apparently mistook for Gods? That carries a bit of unfortunate implications as well.


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    Wasn't it the gods of Mesoamerica that were born from stuff from the Yucatan impact? AFAIK the Mesopotamian gods are home-grown deities. Also Lu Bu isn't a robot (Xiang Yu is), but was nebulously outfitted with some ancient Chinese high-tech (that appears to run on magic circuits), if I've understood it correctly.
    I'm honestly fine with the Machine Gods, though I'd rather wait on an accurate translation of whatever the deal with the Titans and their origins on Earth is before making comments about that matter. Would be kinda boring if all the gods were from the same source. And as far as we know, the Norse, Egyptian, Indian, Chinese and who knows what other pantheons are still more or less the sort of Divinities we probably expected the Greek gods to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper of Remnant View Post
    It's dumb honestly and one of the many things I dislike about FGO in general along with Servant wanking and the Mesopotamian Gods being a fucking space-virus or Lu Bu apparently being a robot now. I prefered when Fate was classed as magic realism rather than literal brain-rot stuff like that. Back when the series had an actual respect for cultural history. It's probably why I end up being so salty all the time. Like why do we need Kamen-Rider Mecha as Greek Gods? The Greek Gods are interesting enough without being bastardised as super alien mecha that primitive cultures apparently mistook for Gods? That carries a bit of unfortunate implications as well.
    I'm getting some real mixed signals from your profile pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper of Remnant View Post
    It's dumb honestly and one of the many things I dislike about FGO in general along with Servant wanking and the Mesopotamian Gods being a fucking space-virus or Lu Bu apparently being a robot now. I prefered when Fate was classed as magic realism rather than literal brain-rot stuff like that. Back when the series had an actual respect for cultural history. It's probably why I end up being so salty all the time. Like why do we need Kamen-Rider Mecha as Greek Gods? The Greek Gods are interesting enough without being bastardised as super alien mecha that primitive cultures apparently mistook for Gods? That carries a bit of unfortunate implications as well.
    I can understand what you mean for me its much more cool if the Greek Deities are like decribed in their original oral cultural customs where the first Generation of deities (uranos etc) or the second with Chronos as "King/Leader" are sentient Natural phenomenons ,where example wise HElios is the personificated Sun,Okeabos/Poseidon are the Waters of the world in personal form which was my reason for giving my Poseidon servant an form of omniscience as the Waters oft he worldare his Body and also have i found or interpreted it that the Usurpation of Zeus and siblings are could stand for the Victory of the humen against the Forces of nature as later Zeus wiped out the silver age humen and created them anew/new humen but due to that he made them with himself/or his siblings as Model has the menkind inherited his rebelious nature without that he noticed it .

    Also am i missing an sort of official explanation from nasu why their are many different mythological cukturspehres i think that the Lostbelt phenomen could be related as each culturspehre was at the beginning an seperate world Bound on our planet as "canvas" and that the humen was one reason why the world "became one"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabalisto Koga View Post
    Also am i missing an sort of official explanation from nasu why their are many different mythological cukturspehres i think that the Lostbelt phenomen could be related as each culturspehre was at the beginning an seperate world Bound on our planet as "canvas" and that the humen was one reason why the world "became one"
    There were different cultural spheres because that was more or less literally how the Age of Gods worked. Might be in the wrong here, but this is how I've understood it. Since physics wasn't a thing back then, Mystery and people's beliefs literally shaped the world. Cultural influence might well have created literal boundaries in the world, which, while not uncrossable for humans, would've presented a barrier for creatures of that particular region (Divine Spirits included). This could tie in to the observed habit of Greeks crossing the Mediterranean offering tribute to the Egyptian gods rather than the Greek ones during their stay, as the Greek ones obviously wouldn't have had power outside their region of influence.
    How everything worked prior to the Sefar incident (when gods had physical bodies etc.) is anyone's guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper of Remnant View Post
    It's dumb honestly and one of the many things I dislike about FGO in general along with Servant wanking and the Mesopotamian Gods being a fucking space-virus or Lu Bu apparently being a robot now. I prefered when Fate was classed as magic realism rather than literal brain-rot stuff like that. Back when the series had an actual respect for cultural history. It's probably why I end up being so salty all the time. Like why do we need Kamen-Rider Mecha as Greek Gods? The Greek Gods are interesting enough without being bastardised as super alien mecha that primitive cultures apparently mistook for Gods? That carries a bit of unfortunate implications as well.
    Let's agree to disagree. Also, I thought that it was the Mesoamerican gods that came from space, not the Mesopotamian gods. Also, I don't really see how any of this carries unfortunate implications but that's probably just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda-Nu View Post
    Let's agree to disagree. Also, I thought that it was the Mesoamerican gods that came from space, not the Mesopotamian gods. Also, I don't really see how any of this carries unfortunate implications but that's probably just me.
    perhaps you have never heard from Erich van Däniken and his theories as i can understand what reaper is hinting/meaning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda-Nu View Post
    Let's agree to disagree. Also, I thought that it was the Mesoamerican gods that came from space, not the Mesopotamian gods. Also, I don't really see how any of this carries unfortunate implications but that's probably just me.
    I always get those mixed up but I did indeed mean the Mesoamerican ones. Also, so the implications that primitive cultures were too 'stupid' to realize their gods weren't gods doesn't seem even a tiny bit racist to you? It does to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    I'm getting some real mixed signals from your profile pic.
    I can cope with loli Jack because it falls under the whole thing of nobody knowing who Jack the Ripper was and it's pretty much what a poverty ridden orphan would have to wear. Not to say that Apoc Servants weren't always good as I do prefer the original Jack design with the dress. Frankenstein is pretty terrible with the 'FEMALE BRIDE LOL'. Also, somehow Victor Frankenstein and his entire family lineage were real people that no-one knew existed except for Mary Shelley who wrote an EXTREMELY FAMOUS book about them and Frankenstein later built a fully functional electronic device capable of bringing life that had blueprints which existed until modern times but made no changes to history despite Frankenstein existing? Yeah, ok.
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    I feel like Loli Jack the Ripper is a thousand times more disrespectful to history than most everything in Fate/GO, but to each their own I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper of Remnant View Post
    I can cope with loli Jack because it falls under the whole thing of nobody knowing who Jack the Ripper was. Not to say that Apoc Servants weren't always good. Frankenstein is pretty terrible with the 'FEMALE BRIDE LOL'. Also, somehow Victor Frankenstein and his entire family lineage were real people that no-one knew existed except for Mary Shelley who wrote an EXTREMELY FAMOUS book about them and Frankenstein later built a fully functional electronic device capable of bringing life that had blueprints which existed until modern times but made no changes to history despite Frankenstein existing? Yeah, ok.
    ...rrrremember how magi are a thing in this setting? You know, those guys with a vested interest in keeping mysterious incidents and creatures under wraps and who routinely seem to cause property damage and/or duke it out near city centers? Is it really that much of a stretch for you to assume Frankenstein's dealie was hushed up by the Mage's Association, and thus the book remained the only proof of the matter (and was relegated to being a work of fiction)? Hell, Paracelsus was apparently completely open about being a magus during his era, but failed to make any significant waves despite that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki-pon View Post
    ...rrrremember how magi are a thing in this setting? You know, those guys with a vested interest in keeping mysterious incidents and creatures under wraps and who routinely seem to cause property damage and/or duke it out near city centers? Is it really that much of a stretch for you to assume Frankenstein's dealie was hushed up by the Mage's Association, and thus the book remained the only proof of the matter (and was relegated to being a work of fiction)? Hell, Paracelsus was apparently completely open about being a magus during his era, but failed to make any significant waves despite that.
    That makes me wonder that we Arent knowing much in Depth About the Mage Association as i would like that in an fateverse anime the origins of it and especially the of the Clocktower would be shown and explained like the director should be "more as a human" so perhaps is the directer self an Dead Apostle or something other and that i recall the oldolf Musik said something that he trembles in fear that their existing more Mage then the director that could crush "Lords" which could imply that the Wandering Sea mages could if they would wish to wipe the Floor with the clocktower Lords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki-pon View Post
    ...rrrremember how magi are a thing in this setting? You know, those guys with a vested interest in keeping mysterious incidents and creatures under wraps and who routinely seem to cause property damage and/or duke it out near city centers? Is it really that much of a stretch for you to assume Frankenstein's dealie was hushed up by the Mage's Association, and thus the book remained the only proof of the matter (and was relegated to being a work of fiction)? Hell, Paracelsus was apparently completely open about being a magus during his era, but failed to make any significant waves despite that.
    That's good and all but it would have been nice to have it mentioned as happening but it doesn't? Although, I suppose I should accept that idea as Phantom and Jekyll were mentioned as just being the inspiration behind the characters rather than exact copies. I just wish it was mentioned in canon. Thanks.
    Still, Paracelsus is kinda a bad example as he's known for claiming to be a mystical alchemist in proper history. It's just people didn't believe him. Not that he was of course.

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    I feel like Loli Jack the Ripper is a thousand times more disrespectful to history than most everything in Fate/GO, but to each their own I guess.
    As I've said before I don't really care about loli but some are stupid. Abigail Williams is particularly awful for the Foreigner Tentacle Hentai shit. I do like Helena's design but it doesn't really fit her and I would have used it elsewhere. To be fair, if I did my own version of the aforementioned Servants they wouldn't be loli except for NR. I did it for Jack once but never finished it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper of Remnant View Post
    That's good and all but it would have been nice to have it mentioned as happening but it doesn't? Although, I suppose I should accept that idea as Phantom and Jekyll were mentioned as just being the inspiration behind the characters rather than exact copies. I just wish it was mentioned in canon. Thanks.
    Still, Paracelsus is kinda a bad example as he's known for claiming to be a mystical alchemist in proper history. It's just people didn't believe him. Not that he was of course.



    As I've said before I don't really care about loli but some are stupid. Abigail Williams is particularly awful for the Foreigner Tentacle Hentai shit. I do like Helena's design but it doesn't really fit her and I would have used it elsewhere. To be fair, if I did my own version of the aforementioned Servants they wouldn't be loli except for NR. I did it for Jack once but never finished it.
    Who do you mean with Helena ? and what is actually your opinion About the Foreigner class in Grand order ?
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