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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    can anyone explain by Tsukuhime and fate and entirely different timelines?

    I read both the Tsukuhime and FSN VNs and I can't see any reason why Tsukuhime would somehow make it impossible for the HGW to occur
    Because Fate is a constantly developing setting whose narratives have, directly or comparatively, far outstripped the capacity of Tsukihime's neglected setting to harmonise or integrate at even a basic level.

    So fundamentally, because nothing Tsukihime is being written.

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    Content in Fate is also presented as if a Tsukihime-like situation is inconcievable, as if these setting themes are all there is, and not contextual to a larger metaverse. This is of course helpful in keeping Fate's internal consistency, but results in the feeling of Tsuki being shelved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    Does this also mean that the Tsukihime timeline is the only one that is possible for Angel Notes to occur?
    You need Crimson Moon for Notes specifically, but a Notes-like situation occurs rather more easily in Fate. Thematically, it's the result of humanity trying too hard and becoming cosmic cancer, rather then calming down as it managed to in Tsuki no Sango.
    Aylesbury Valesti can happen in Fate too, human order or not, whatever the utter heck it actually does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    Does this also mean that the Tsukihime timeline is the only one that is possible for Angel Notes to occur?
    No idea honestly.
    The human race is extinct in Notes but is succeeded by New Mankind and the A-Rays. Do they count as humans? Maybe, but then again Yaga don't and these aren't particularly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftovers View Post
    Because Fate is a constantly developing setting whose narratives have, directly or comparatively, far outstripped the capacity of Tsukihime's neglected setting to harmonise or integrate at even a basic level.

    So fundamentally, because nothing Tsukihime is being written.
    To be fair the theme of the world being "doomed" was already present in the Melty Blood (maybe even in the Tsukihime itself but I am not sure), so it predates the (current) booming of Fate.

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    Wasn't the point of Yaga that they're still fundamentally human?
    Granted I only read Anastasia's summaries and that was two years ago I could have forgotten.

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    As they're furries, they're inherently inhuman and thus deserve to be pruned.
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    canon finish apo vol 3

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    Did you just miss the link I posted from Lily's post on reddit on why Tsukihime and Fate aren't just in the same Tree of Time? It's right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Wasn't the point of Yaga that they're still fundamentally human?
    Apparently not human enough which is why that timeline became Lostbelt in the first place.

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    Yaga history is not at a stalemate because dogs. It’s at a stalemate because there only one living country, which maintained the same ruler for 450 years and nothing significant happened in this timeframe. If dogs were the problem, Kadoc beating Ivan and making Anastasia the tsar wouldn’t have saved the timeline.

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    Wait, did Kadoc managed to save that timeline from Lost status?
    Then again I am sure that Sion mentions that Yaga's biology contributed to the Apocryphal Debt of that Lostbelt.

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    Oh, that's two salvageable timelines that got blown to hell? I thought that Gotterdammerung was the first and Kadoc just wanted to do right by his waifu.

    It'd be pretty silly if every timeline turned promising the moment one dude dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    canon finish apo vol 3

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    The stated goal of the Crypters is to solve their history’s stalemate before replacing Pan-Human with theirs, so I assumed everyone of them is solvable (or at least was solvable at first, considering Beryl). But I don’t know if punching the right person is the solution in all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Oh, that's two salvageable timelines that got blown to hell? I thought that Gotterdammerung was the first and Kadoc just wanted to do right by his waifu.

    It'd be pretty silly if every timeline turned promising the moment one dude dies.
    Well, when you think about it, with the people spreading Spartacus rebellion without QSH meteor smashing them in one go on LB3 and Godjuna gone on LB4, both those worlds would have seen some change with time, be out of their stagnation and then technically be salvageable

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    But I don’t know if punching the right person is the solution in all of them.
    Spartacus was right all alone. Fight the oppressors, death to the LB Kings!!!

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    Found it.

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    While the Ivan the Terrible of the Pan-Human History was indeed a tyrant, he was an existence without any connections with magecraft.
    In the Lostbelt however, he invited the magi when the crisis of global freezing became imminent.
    He sought the path for survival that came with the techniques for fusing humans with magical beasts.
    However, that was the same as bringing to this world lifeforms that were completely different from humans already. So, when even their mentality ended up changing in the end, they were perceived as a human history that had reached an impasse――― a world that had to be pruned.

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    I am pretty sure True Ancestors/Xian/whatever exist no matter the timeline, just in case anyone said otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    Does this also mean that the Tsukihime timeline is the only one that is possible for Angel Notes to occur?
    Angel's Notes is the future of Fate Extra Last Encore, after the Age of Ash

    *or an Extra Future in general idk, but the main event that will cause Earth to die is the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    Does this also mean that the Tsukihime timeline is the only one that is possible for Angel Notes to occur?
    there's also that thing about Tsuki no Sango being a theoretical world of "Tsukihime in the year 3000".

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    As they're furries, they're inherently inhuman and thus deserve to be pruned.
    agree.
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    So, using a timeline (well, doesn't mean that the events occurs at the same tree though)...

    February 1994 - Fate/Zero; Fate/Apocrypha (Assuming that the Einzberns summoned Ruler instead of Avenger in the 3rd Holy Grail War)

    April 1994 - Kara no Kyoukai

    1999 - 2004 (?) - Lord El - Melloi Case Files

    2000 - Tsukihime

    2001 - Kagetsu Tohya

    2002 - Melty Blood

    February 2004 - Original Fate/Stay Night

    2009 - Fate/Strange Fake

    2030 - Fate/Extra; Fate/Extra CCC; Fate/Extra CCC FoxTail

    February 2014 - Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Route 2014 version

    2015 - Fate/Grand Order

    February 2017 - Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel Route 2017 version

    3000 - Tsuki no Sango / Angel Notes

    3020 - Fate/Extra - Last Encore

    Maybe I'm wrong, feel free to correct.
    Last edited by hayate; March 16th, 2020 at 09:20 AM. Reason: will edit this one if I have the time
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    Apo happens around the same time FSN, the novels made a nod to it
    KnK has each story/movie happening in a different year or month of the same year (is a case by case basis)
    Case Files is 2003-2004, each case happens in the span of some months, not years (what happened years before was Waver meeting Reines, Svin and Flat)
    And why did you put the Ufo FSN series and movies on the time of their release and not 2004?

    Ah, and you can also include Requiem if you want, you calculate the date base on when they mentioned how many years has been since Armstrong moon landing. I forgot how much exactly right now
    Last edited by Lobo; March 15th, 2020 at 04:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayate View Post
    200? - Fate/Strange Fake
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    And Kagetsu is the summer 6 months after Tsukihime, so most likely 2001, but maybe still 2000 if Tsukihime is set in January. I think we know Tsuki’s month but I can’t remember it.

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    Tsuki was October November

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