Yes, but there's a ten-year gap that's left more or less empty in the middle. We know about something seven years in and that something big (possibly involving Gadget drones) happened to nearly magically cripple/kill Nanoha at some point in there, but that's really about it. Wish they'd talk about it some. Well, that and stop the damn ship tease. >_>
Be careful I'll hold you to that. You will receive a many PMs as I ask about spells and how they work. Because the Nanoha wiki doesn't cut it sometimes.Nice story heroslayer, if you need any help with MGLN info, I'm more then willing to help. I consider myself pretty knowledge about MGLN.
Yeah, that's when the HGW happens. And well, yea... that second part.Yes, but there's a ten-year gap that's left more or less empty in the middle. We know about something seven years in and that something big (possibly involving Gadget drones) happened to nearly magically cripple/kill Nanoha at some point in there, but that's really about it. Wish they'd talk about it some. Well, that and stop the damn ship tease. >_>
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No problem, anything to help get chapters out fasterOriginally Posted by Heroslayer
@Ace: Dammit, beat me to it...
@Heroslayer: You should know that I can also be of assistance alongside Ace in providing information regarding the Nanoha-verse. Ace and I have had a few discussions in the past about it, so someone can testify that I do know my material up to ViVid. Give me a call when you need help, I'm up late guarding an RP thread nearly everyday as it is.
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Even though I know almost nothing of Nanoha, I'm looking forward for the next release.
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Hmm...
Well, there are lots of different magical systems in the Nasuverse.
I think it's worth mentioning, that while lots of supernatural spells and effects run off of prana, the thaumaturgy system is... 500 years old. Like, the method of casting itself; of using prana to cast spells. That's a relatively recent thing. I'm a bit confused as to why or how this can be so when the sub-systems like alchemy or church holy words might be older then that, but there you go...
Earth's magic might be different both by how it's run, as well as the many traditions that probably qualify as their own casting systems.
Different magical systems aren't exactly a new thing in MGLN though. There are also lots of different magical systems in the MGLN setting.
What's going to be most relevant right now is probably energy source and amount: basically, whether Shirou can power MidChildan spells with Prana?
He really should be able to. Whether he can learn/excel/master MidChildan spells is another thing; he's young and with an actual teacher he might just pick up spells, while doing his own thing. It also seems to be to be a bit... neutral? Or like a field of study/occupation? MGLN spells might be a lot more learnable and accessable to people, so long as they can generate energy, have some talent, and a teacher. Modern Nasuverse magic seems to require a lot more investment...
Honestly when I think of magic in the Nasuverse, I get the both the impression that magi have to re-invent the wheel damned frequently, as well as having to slowly build up metaphysical weight. (And for christ's sake, it feels like you can lose it just at random; like how the Makiri were weakening over generations [HOW? Isn't it supposed to BUILD up over generations?! That's the whole damned idea!!] and then when they moved from their homeland, they pretty much lost even more/faster/thoroughly?) And then there's the whole lethality issue, where magic is treated like... I dunno, as potentially deadly as a political arena.
It wasn't always like that though.
Nanoha-verse magic, from the little I've seen, seems a lot less temperamental: effort and talent are rewarded.
And for god's sakes they can use their magic freaking everywhere. Nasuverse magic probably can be used wherever, depending on the magic, but the example of the Makiri/Matou is not encouraging and proof that being away from home can mess with your spellcasting ability.
So frankly, I think Shirou might just outright become a good spellcaster within MGLN. Like, somebody who actually knows and uses various spells. Talent and power are important, but effort is rewarded, and the infrastructure supports use of magic. And really, what's wrong with that--a Shirou who's something like the Wolkenritter who are in fact powerful spellcasters?
Since it hasn't been said yet I'll add this.
Most of the Nanohaverse magic is based heavily on math. One of the reasons for devices is that they aid in calculations.
When Shirou fights he reinforces his body and improvised weaponry. He doesn't use a barrier jacket, so I wonder if Kiritsugu will tell him of Avalon at all. If Shirou gets his training montage instead of hot springs that could be a good time to reveal Avalon. Well maybe not say it out right, but shouldn't Shirou wonder why he can take so much damage. Reinforcing the body is really dangerous.
Remember that mages form the nasu verse always have to endure pain while using their skills, as their body reject the use of magic. It's unnatural and as told by Shirou before, can kill you if your control isn't strong enough.
perhaps during a detailed scan on the Arthra, as they are studying Shirou as he uses magic, this little fact can turn into a nice piece of nightmare fuel.
"I'm sorry Emiya-kun, captain Harlaown. It looks like there is something wrong with the equipment, for some reason the results of your brain patters seem to be out of whack." the technician replied.
"How so?" Lindy asked.
"Well, If I'm reading this right, he should be in crippling pain while using his magic. I'm sure something Is wrong, so Ill have to figure out what happened first."
"Yeah , I wouldn't call it crippling...." Shirou started...
And stopped, as everyone suddenly turned their heads towards him, as they looked at him in shock.
"What do you mean Shirou-kun? Lindy slowly spoke, as if she had a hard time believing the boy had just said that. "Well, it's magic , so of course it hurts." He stated as if it was the most normal thing in the world.
Lindy's face paled as he calmly described how he used to figuratively push a molten bar of steel up his spine each night, while still smiling with that kind face of his.
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Shirou: So I heard you'd like to be a magical girl. Problem?
Also, as for the actual fic. This would be sufficient to relay my reaction.
I've said it before, I'lleventuallysay it again; Nanoha-verse magic is essentially really fast, really temporary practical physics/engineering involving a new (to us) source of energy. Because it is, damn it!
The mana that they use normally would translate into the Nasuverse as od, though, I'm sure that some of the stuff that Nanoha and eventually Tea do (Starlight Breaker's the big one I'm thinking of) might be a little less of a shock, although as I write this I'm suddenly doubting that. One of the key things with Nanoha magic is that if you use too much of it all at once, your Linker Core will run dry, collapse, and kill you. It's a significantly less of an issue with that specific spell, since it uses their internal energy to focus ambient energy outside of their own body. Don't get me wrong; that's a strain too, and overuse is one of the causes of Nanoha's problems after StrikerS, but there are also a lot of other things involved in that. lolBlasterSystem
Actually, I thought that linker cores used the prana in the surroundings, converting it to energy, which could be manipulated by using the formulaic basis used by TSAB mages.
A magus uses his Od because its very hard to use the prana in the surroundings without causing damage to the body. Tohsaka was capable of doing it in HF because she was using the jeweled sword Zelretch, and even then her body was heavily strained, as it took damage with every swing.
That is the greatest difference between the two styles of magic.
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I always had the impression that Linker Cores connected to some kind of extra dimension, except magic instead of time, and a Nanoha-mages' power was how much they could pull through, rather then some kind of internally-generated reserve.
Hence the 'Link' part.
Also, just how old is Shirou when Kiritsugu dies? I during the Book of Darkness incidenmean, are we talking next month, sometime during A's, while Nanoha's getting stabbed by Gadget Drones, or is there going to be nothing big from Nanoha's side of the mystical fence to distract her from comforting Shirou?
Kiritsugu dies 5 years before the 5th heavens feel ritual begins, so when shirou is eleven years old. That places it shortly after the events from nanoha A's I guess.
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Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Though I kinda plan on Yuuno being the one to have the 'That's terrible!' reaction to Shirou's magic. But then again that would be funny to have Lindy all angry.
Well in reading your arguments I have a general idea of what I want in my story. Can Shirou use Nanoha magic. Yes and no. He's capable, but he doesn't have the Od for anything. And even after his power up, it's not necessarily something he would be able to use in every fight seeing as his Magic Circuits can only channel so much energy at a time.
Also Avalon. Well, I kinda like the idea of Kiritsugu completely forgetting to tell Shirou that it's inside of him. As for defense, well, I'm debating on weather or not I should give Shirou a Barrier Jacket. What do you think?
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Keep him the same, he's already going to powerful in his own right as he gets older and for him to rely on another magic might diminish his own projection ability later on either that or too OP.
I suggest making Kiritsugu die a bit earlier during the storyline so that we can see some depressing angst of Shirou losing his father.
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It does, but it's a recharge-over-time thing. It's one of the reasons that Linker Core damage is such a big deal, and why what the Wolkenritter do in A's is a such a Bad Thing.
That's essentially the problem with Starlight Breaker, as I understand it. Add that to overuse and overtraining, and you wonder why everything went as badly as it did when whatever happened to her did. Ask Vita; she was there.
We need to get Beamspam in here for her opinion. Where is she, anyway?
I agree with mangafreak, don't let Shirou stray to far from his own path. Remember, his true nature is that of a magic circuit solely made to create 'swords'. That's the only magic he is truly allowed to use, as he stated himself in the VN.
his body is made of swords after all.
As for a barrier jacket, perhaps not a true one like the MGLN mages use, but a storage device containing an outfit he can easily reinforce. And after the event of A's he can partly evade the problems of being unable to effectively power any technology by using cartridges, which can be prepared before hand.
Cartridges.......
doesn't Rin use her jewels to store her od in a similar ( but more expensive) way?
Snippet:
"Amazing! You can actually store your Od in those jewels, simply by flooding them with od without any assistance?"
Rin Smiled proudly, this unknown mage might be half-assed, but at least he recognized talent when he was it.
"It looks like youre not such a failure after all! This is one of the advance techniques passed down in my family, a magecraft of a true magus! A third-ranked mage like you could never use a method as sophisticated as this," she replied smugly
"But still, " He continued....
*CARTRIDGE LOADED, MY MASTER*
"I prefer my method"
*STANDBY, OVEREDGE READY*
"Eh"?
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I wonder if Shirou will still end up summoning Saber in this.
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