But it's for SCIENCE!!
*coughJailcough*
But it's for SCIENCE!!
*coughJailcough*
*Rolls eyes*
Ilya is not going to be turned into a cyborg.
Life at best is Bittersweet
-Jack Kirby
But Ilya doesn't have much worth outside of being a Grail. As a magus, she's unremarkable. And as Hero said, all that gathered mana is being spent on a Xanatos Gambit to ensure Bazette survives. Not to mention, the greater grail get's dismantled after the 5th...Originally Posted by nununu
You do realize that that was a joke, right?
Heroslayer has already established that Ilya is a dead girl walking.
As it turns out, my sense of humor is lousy.
Hmm, I need to pander to Fraggle more. We need interaction between Ilya and the Aces. She needs to judge the girls that her Onii-chan is always hanging out with.
Life at best is Bittersweet
-Jack Kirby
Ilya as a magus is "unremarkable"? I thought she summoned Berserker!Herakles without the Grail's help years prior to the 5th HGW, are all magi on Earth just that powerful or something? >.>
No, she has god knows how much mana. But she never learns how to use it.
Life at best is Bittersweet
-Jack Kirby
Fair enough, Ilya has impressive energy reserves but her skill with them isn't above par.
... guess what they said about Einzberns being alchemists and not combatants are so true it's facepalm-worthy, teaching Ilya to fight like that -.-
She has her wishcraft though, which lets her wing her spells. Comes part and parcel with being the Lesser Grail.
No, I think it's very intelligent, if still harsh. If they taught her, she may use it on them.
Also, it gives her worth outside of being a Grail. Why would they want a homunculus to have feelings of worth beyond her intended purpose? That'd be treating her like a human being! She might go looking for that waste of flesh that calls himself her father!
This is kinda random, but I was thinking about the idea of Lyrical Days Shirou getting summoned as Saber in the Fourth Holy Grail War when I thought of something.
Berserker's Knight of Honor lets him take anything and wield it under the properties, it is now his noble phantasm. Or something like that. This allows him to defend against Gate of Babylon by catching the Noble Phantasms that come out and defending himself. Now my question, if Lancelot caught a Projection, and used it against Shirou, could Shirou just dismiss the weapon and let it fade?
Life at best is Bittersweet
-Jack Kirby
depends. when lancelot used gils swords, did they disappear after a while? they are supposed to return to GoB after being fired. if not, berserker could be altering them somehow and temporarily claiming ownership of the weapon.
but i could be different with the weapons that shirou makes since they are made out of his own od.
He claims temporarily the ownership of the weapon. The question here would be... would he be able to do the same with an illusion? After all, a projection is an illusion. A very real illusion, being tangible and able to affect the world, but an illusion, after all.
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The Servant's and, by extension, their Noble Phantasms are mana constructs though. Similar to Shirou's Projections, if different in scale.
Probably not. First, I don't think Shirou is normally capable of 'dismissing' a projection. It just fades naturally as the world crushes it and the projection runs out of prana. Poor guy has a hard enough time making sure his projections last more than a few seconds to worry about that kind of thing I suppose.
Yep.He claims temporarily the ownership of the weapon. The question here would be... would he be able to do the same with an illusion?
Shirou's NPs aren't projections (AKA magic shaped into the shape of a sword), they are stuff he takes out from UBW (the only magic he can do, apparently). They can be disposable because UBW is filled with infinite swords, so he won't run out. Inb4 Cantor
Shirou can only pull those swords out of UBW via 'projection'. But while inside UBW, yeah I suppose they'd be something else.
I don't think so. Shirou's magic is taking stuff out of UBW, so he can't use projection. The thing is that the process of taking stuff out of UBW is superficially similar to Projection, and Projection was what Shirou thought he was practicing as he practiced magic. Still, this is too minor a point to discuss so...
No, it's still projection...Projection (Trace Version)
投影（トレース版)
Materialized projection through the reenactment (or understanding and tracing) of creation ideology, base core, composite materials, design technique, possession experience, and accumulation of years. Not the physical recreation of just a sword, but its soul itself, in other words.
Shirou's variation of gradation air. Also includes reinforcement technically. The latter functions like regular reinforcement (in that it uses an already existing object instead of creating a new one), with a lower success rate. Basically, it's mentally harder to improve upon an already completed object, or so he says. Whenever he starts spell casting, he mentally thinks of either the words synchronization or projection while actually saying out loud "trace on". In other words, either he traces over an existing object or traces an object from his internal world onto the physical world.
Unlike normal projection, he recreates objects not just from scratch using a schematic diagram, but also the ideology behind its creation as well as its history and experience. Recreating the weapon as if it had a life of its own, in a sense. Despite that, the weapons that Archer has the most experience and is best suited to using are Kanshou and Bakuya, which is why Shirou used them during one of the possible fights against Black Saber and also actually managed to defeat her (but mainly because Excalibur couldn't be used underground).
Also unlike normal projection, it's impossible for them to project an image over already existing materials to form it. This is the other reason why Azoth, which was meant to be used as the base for the recreated Zelretch, wasn't used by Shirou when he formed it. Just having the knowledge of how to make Zelretch and the base product (Azoth) to overlay that image on won't work. Both of them have to see that sword with their own eyes.
Weapons are actually projected from his internal world, Unlimited Blade Works. Mentally, tracing is preparing and loading a bullet from Unlimited Blade Works (hence multiple weapons can be stored at once). Projection is the actual firing mechanism. At higher proficiency, multiple "bullets" (in the form of weapons or a multi-action skill coming from a single weapon) can be loaded in advance. Also, read this.
Making a fake weapon but having its original master use it is one way for the weapon to become "real", is one possible way of thinking about it.
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