Mahou Senki: Lyrical Days (FSN x Nanoha Crossover)

[Old_Iron]

When it's time to buckle down and provide big firepower, Shirou dismounts onto a Nanoha-provided platform and acts as active defense while Nanoha charges up.

So they hunker down into a siege mode then. That does sound good. In fact if they got Yuuno in on the teamwork to cover blind spots with his shields, that would make Shirou able to more accurately take out offenders and not have to spray swords wildly in the hope of hitting due to having to also shoot down incoming spells.

Then when ready, Nanoha lets loose the befriending.

[qsurf]

That works, but personally I'm still for the Yuuno Shirou, Shield and Sword Combination. If only for one reason, Nanoha needs every bit of focus she can get as a bombardment type, Shirou and Yuuno could work to protect her, but that seems to be Fate's job. Shirou and Yuuno would work best as independent wild-cards in battle, one minute they heavy bombardment, the next they are infiltrators.

[Old_Iron]

That works, but personally I'm still for the Yuuno Shirou, Shield and Sword Combination. If only for one reason, Nanoha needs every bit of focus she can get as a bombardment type, Shirou and Yuuno could work to protect her, but that seems to be Fate's job. Shirou and Yuuno would work best as independent wild-cards in battle, one minute they heavy bombardment, the next they are infiltrators.

They would work very well as a team. The only problem I'm seeing using Fate as cover is she seems more suited to a shock-trooper role than a defender. Get in fast, do a lot of damage, and get out. She'd draw a lot of attention, but not all of it and she's only so fast.

Though if you add her into the Siege-Mode, she'll help corral targets into Nanoha's firing arc while Shirou and Yuuno pick off the stragglers.

[Kyte]

Don't underestimate the power of well-positioned barriers in herding people where you want'em to go. Yuuno & Fate can tag-team'em. Fate forces them to move, Yuuno blocks off unfavorable (for Team Nanoha) escape routes.

[qsurf]

They would work very well as a team. The only problem I'm seeing using Fate as cover is she seems more suited to a shock-trooper role than a defender. Get in fast, do a lot of damage, and get out. She'd draw a lot of attention, but not all of it and she's only so fast.

Though if you add her into the Siege-Mode, she'll help corral targets into Nanoha's firing arc while Shirou and Yuuno pick off the stragglers.

I had forgotten why I love discussing tactics. =3

And anyways, you've also given me the answer to why Signum and Vita were attached to Fate and Nanoha, the both of them would need the backup both knights can easily supply. How does this sound:
- The quartet works in two defensive circles and an offensive cone (sorry, but that's the way I put things)
- Fate, due to her maneuverability is on the outer circle, in an offensive role, until she either tires (she retreats behind the second circle and near Nanoha) or is given the signal to start corralling targets into Nanoha's area of effect, usually a cone, or keep non-targets out of it, when Nanoha fires, she is to retreat behind the second defensive circle.
- Shirou and Yuuno are on the inner circle, as defense protecting their bombardment mage, Nanoha and Fate if she retreats behind them to rest. After Nanoha's attacks, their job is to protect both Fate and Nanoha at their weakest, and to take out any stragglers.
- Nanoha is bombardment, at the center of the circles, her only job is to make sure that she takes that shot when she gets the opportunity. As she is the center of the formation, she is the de facto commander, with Yuuno as her second.

How's that?

[Tabron]

Qsurf, that actually sounds pretty good.

Problem now is that they have to sure that nobody sees the technique and sticks around long enough to tell the tale, because they'll figure out that they just have to ignore Fate and run or try to hit Nonoha or Shirou right from the onset with everything they've got before the technique can even be set up.

[Santo]

Guys please do go on with the tactics and all but I need an explanation...whats a "kuudere"?

The only dere's I know of are Tsundere (Both Classic and Modern). And Yandere.

What be a Kuudere?

[rajvir]

What be a Kuudere?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Kuudere that should explain everything.

[Laith]

An example would be Saber who is cold at the beginning and the relationship is pretty much the partner "thawing" them.

E: sniped.

[Lycodrake]

Guys please do go on with the tactics and all but I need an explanation...whats a "kuudere"?

The only dere's I know of are Tsundere (Both Classic and Modern). And Yandere.

What be a Kuudere?

"Kuu"=cool, as either emotionless, or just holding back emotions.
I think Raven (Teen Titans) is a decent example, though not the best. Rei might be a better one. Or most Rei Expies. XP

[qsurf]

Best example of a typical Kuudere: Nagato Yuki

[Santo]

Ahhhh. I ged it, the "Classic Tsundere" I guess people finally came up with a name for it after any character voiced by Rie Kugimiya stole the term.

Thanks for the clear up

[rajvir]

Ahhhh. I ged it, the "Classic Tsundere" I guess people finally came up with a name for it after any character voiced by Rie Kugimiya stole the term.

Thanks for the clear up

you are welcome did the link to tvtropes help?

[Kyte]

Rei's actually a pretty bad Kuudere, 'cause she's someone who doesn't "get" emotions but isn't shy about expressing what they figure out. Same with Nagato.

Kuudere is basically forced indifference and therefore necessarily happens only on emotionally-enabled people. In this sense, Raven is an excellent example of Kuudere, as she has visible emotions she strives to keep repressed. Signum is too because she always emotes, but these expressions are really subtle, giving the "cool and indifferent" vibe.

Like all deres, it involves some degrees of interpretation.
Kyon's kuudere, IMO.

Ahhhh. I ged it, the "Classic Tsundere" I guess people finally came up with a name for it after any character voiced by Rie Kugimiya stole the term.

Thanks for the clear up

Not really. The big clue is in the level of hostility in their indifference. A tsundere cares. A kuudere (apparently) doesn't.

[Santo]

you are welcome did the link to tvtropes help?

Aye that it did a helluva lot. Finally I won't need to spend time explaining the difference between Classic and Modern tsunderes to people, much grief I've caught due to this in the past. (TT-TT)

And ya Kuudere (Classic Tsundere) Saber, Signum, Raven. Tsundere (Modern) Tohsaka, Luise Francoise, Nagi, Shana, among others.

Now a thing that came to my weirdly functioning mind while typing this. Shirou screaming Rho Aius while grabbing Yunno and holding the ferret in front of him to block an attack. Result: Rho Ferret.

[Kyte]

Oh my god I can just imagine the scene and it's really fucking hilarious.

Btw: What d'you mean with "classic" tsundere and why is it equal to kuudere? None of the described Kuuderes (nor the description itself) have the hostility that, afaik, makes for the tsuntsun part, regardless of how it's expressed (cold shoulder, violence, whatever).

[qsurf]

*sweatdrop*

What a partner....

[Muramasa]

Don't underestimate the power of well-positioned barriers in herding people where you want'em to go. Yuuno & Fate can tag-team'em. Fate forces them to move, Yuuno blocks off unfavorable (for Team Nanoha) escape routes.

It's not a practical approach. You're assuming Yuuno can get those barriers out in an instant and he's going to have to considering how hi-speed aerial combat can be. Besides erecting one on himself or covering others in a single barrier, instant ranged barriers is not a canonical ability he has. The ones we see in the anime required an unspecified amount of casting time (chants, aria etc.)

Though I do like the idea of implementing random roadblocks. It would still vastly slow down any flying opponent Team Nanoha would be up against.

[Kyte]

I was more thinking roadblocks than instant barriers, yes.

[Santo]

Btw: What d'you mean with "classic" tsundere and why is it equal to kuudere? None of the described Kuuderes (nor the description itself) have the hostility that, afaik, makes for the tsuntsun part, regardless of how it's expressed (cold shoulder, violence, whatever).

Tsundere used to be a term to describe a type of character development. A person that at first is cold, outwardly emotionless, or even hostile to others. And throughout the passage of a long time (twenty-two of your standard twenty-four episodes an anime, most of the Fate route in the F/SN VN, etc.) one sees that the cold is a facade they put up to get the job done, or that they are simply the type that are slow to trust others. They have a single and permanent change, at first cold (tsun) and once you manage to melt your way into their heart they are nice (dere).

Some time later Tsundere became the description for a different type of character. One like Tohsaka, or Luise. Who is tender on the inside, but uses anger and/or violence to hide the fact that they are easily flustered. Depending on how comedic the show is, they can change from Tsuntsun to Deredere almost bipolarly (this is probably not a real world but just hang with me).

The way I used to differentiate between them was by how vnd (visual novel database) separates them.