The term isn't really applicable here since like, the beginning methinks.
Tell me, what is the "canonical" route of Tsukihime or F/SN.
Everything TM has published.
Everything Nasu has written.
The "core" Nasu works (name them).
The Nasuverse as a common setting and the works that follow its rules.
The stories & lore that you personally consider "serious", as opposed to "jokes/memes/etc".
Whatever fits your personal idea of what the Nasuverse is and how it works, fanon included.
Each TM work in its own right and in relation to its self-contained setting.
There is no canon, just an illusion of a consistent setting.
The term isn't really applicable here since like, the beginning methinks.
Tell me, what is the "canonical" route of Tsukihime or F/SN.
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The Canonical route in F/SN is very obviously the Ayako Mitsuzuri route.
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The term isn't really applicable here since like, the beginning methinks.
Tell me, what is the "canonical" route of Tsukihime or F/SN.
The "Canon" of the Type Moon universe exists within a state of quantum uncertainty, wherein all possibilities and no possibilities continue to exist simultaneously in flux.
This is best displayed in the "dream world" of Hollow Ataraxia, where the 'story' can only progress as all possible possibilities become 'scenes'/are acknowledged, and thus become part of the grand conglomerate of mutually exclusive and simultaneously present realities.
The only way to break this state is via the introduction of a Universal Observer that exists outside of the State of Canon itself, thus determination of the state of reality can only be derived from the mind of the outside observer themselves.
If F/SN was a standalone title, the answer would be "all of them", or one could argue "all the non-Bad Ends". With the existence of sequels and prequels and interquels plugging into those, however, you end up trying to figure out what leads to which leads to where, and it ends up a yarn of quantum uncertainty.The term isn't really applicable here since like, the beginning methinks.
Tell me, what is the "canonical" route of Tsukihime or F/SN.
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Arcueid True+, Saber True.Tell me, what is the "canonical" route of Tsukihime or F/SN.
Last Episode and Eclipse are each used as a way to return to the initial idea of the game, and reexamine it after all we've found out. They are nothing less than a statement of 'well, we've looked at these other exotic options, but this is how the character really is'. It would be nice if we could save all the Kohakus and Sakuras in our lives, but it's probably not going to happen. What remains when the daring, plucky steps are not taken is how the character, and each of us, shall be judged.
If you go by Nasu's musing of "the timeline Zelretch observes is the main timeline", then Heaven's Feel is more "canonical" than Fate.
Probably a difference between normal participation and the special observation
But can't the second observe ALL possibilities?
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The Second lets you interact with all worlds and timelines like a planeswalker.
I think Nasu is treating it like a Schrodinger's Cat scenario where all timelines are possible, but the one Zelretch interacts with becomes the "real timeline".
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Lol. If we're looking at it that way, there's not really one canon. It's multiple canons that reflect the in-continuity existence of alternate realities. If we go by the idea that the timeline Zelretch interacts with is canon, then Prototype and Prillya are essentially as canon as HF and more than UBW or Fate, for example, because he's more heavily involved in those.
Really, it just looks like there are multiple canon timelines, each of which are equally legitimate even if they contradict one another thanks to multiverse being a thing. If there's any merit by which we could determine one timeline to be more or less "canon" than any other, it'd probably be number of works in the shared timeline... which would make either FGO or EXTRA the "most" canon.
This is part of why I voted for no-canon; when you reach this point, anything published becomes canon unto itself as some variation of the setting. There's no longer a point to deeming something canon or not except for nerd arguments because it's all subject to change and of dubious validity between any given works.
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Wait, but every timeline would have its own Zelretch, wouldn't? Or is every Zelretch we see the same one?
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^ Lol, "How many Zelretch's can dance on the head of a pin" comes to mind as an appropriate reductio ad absurdum in response to this kind of debate.
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Zelretch is the one that watches from afar, making the vital choices that cause the timelines to shift and dance.
So in a way, aren't we, the players, Zelretch?
The statement wouldn't make much sense if there are multiple Zelretchs.
At the very least, I think there's probably only one version of Zelretch who achieved true Magic. He's chilling beyond time and space like the Architect in the Matrix. Just kind of watching the multiverse.
In a way, I think Nasu is being philosophical and meta. Zelretch is kind of like the reader, detached from the reality of the stories and can experience all routes/possibilities. Basically the route you are reading is the "reality".
It just, I wonder how the thing with Crimson Moon works if there is only one Zel. Does only one Crimson Moon exist too? Did Zel had to go and fight Crimson Moon again and again in all timelines?
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It's probably more like all Zel achieve True Magic and fought CM but only one became a TA and survive.
In FsF Zelretch has to dump Ayaka there because any timeline he enters directly becomes "confirmed" (impliedly, becomes the only timeline), so we can assume all the timelines we get only started branching after the guy killed Brunestud and left.
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