Trinity Angles (Discussion Thread)

[Kieran]

Kieran, the answer you will get from me is that Galen is an author after a fellow author's heart, and that's why the platonic love.

All right - I ask partly out of curiosity, and partly because if I'm doing something right, I like to know what, so I can keep doing it . . .

[Xamusel]

Just have Galen be an author again, please. I think we all deserve to know what the success of his books will be like, all things considered.

[Arbitrarity]

Honestly, I'm not completely happy with Neville's dialogue, at points - he sounds a bit too much like Galen, to my ears - but I'm justifying it to myself as his choosing to ape McGonagall's style when he needs to be a disciplinarian.

Yeah, I can see it. His aside about the Bloody Baron stands out as having that sort of long-suffering wryness about women I associate more with Galen, in particular. I generally agree most of the rest seems like him playing the role of disciplinarian.

It's why Alex says there's no point to running - if Neville wants to catch them, he will.

Exactly, it's great. Even when confident, Neville's self-talk is never quite that over-the-top, even when he's trying to motivate himself.

Alex might use "Aniki" (the actual translation of "brother-in-law" is "giri no ani," apparently), but he chose a diminutive of the more common phrase because most people in the castle have heard him use its equivalent for Takara, and he wanted to be sure Neville could make the connection . . . Because he wasn't actually expecting Neville to be as fluent in the language as he is.

Ah, nice detail. Agreed the connotation seems more appropriate.

Nope, it's Shirou - legally, and everything!

With only two clarifications required. I suppose it's not really relevant to cousin-hood that Shirou was adopted.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you - and the fact that The Secrets of Dumbledore lets it access "the mirror dimension" as well is just absolutely flat-out ludicrous . . .

Auuugh.

Still, since this isn't Dumbledore's original device (since he had no reason to leave it to anyone)

Huh, now I'm wondering about what happened to some of Dumbledore's other artifacts. Yes, he didn't have a reason to explicitly leave it to anyone... so it's probably rotting in Aberforth's possession or something? I don't exactly remember. He seemed less-prepared than canon, so perhaps.
Now I'm kind of wondering if a magical portrait can fill in for a will, if you haven't made other preparations. Deathstone would be just be cheating though.

Like the franchise's extended canon - since the movies weren't actually all out when he died, back when I was originally writing, but were obviously relevant as the series went on and which he and others demonstrated full knowledge of - though I could blame Takara for that, I suppose . . .

(No, wait - I make deliberate references to The Dress, so it's technically a plot hole . . . Oh, well).

I don't think that Galen's date of death is solidly established enough for that to be a plot hole; I might infer that it was at the same year as he ends up in Fuyuki (though dimensional bullshit means that may not be the case, could be earlier or later; I don't actually know when you started writing, due to the Great Forum Purge, but I'd assume that would line up)
I can't actually find many references to the year in the prologues; it's apparently after 2008 in Truth and Consequences. Takara canonically has seen all the movies, sopost-2011, but you were writing before that. The Dress is 2005, so there's lots of margin.

When reading, I tend to treat it as "recent enough", but the 10+ year gap at this point for extended canon does merit some explanation.

[Kieran]

Just have Galen be an author again, please. I think we all deserve to know what the success of his books will be like, all things considered.

Ah - OK, that makes sense. Thank you.

And I'll say this because I'm not sure it'll come up, otherwise: while he does enjoy it, Galen's being an author is actually part of Gwydion's cover. Why? Because it's amazing what people will let you get away with, or get access to, on the basis of "doing research" . . .

Yeah, I can see it. His aside about the Bloody Baron stands out as having that sort of long-suffering wryness about women I associate more with Galen, in particular.

That has more to do with the fact that Neville is very (justifiably) afraid of Takara showing up at Hogwarts with Mellinoe in her hands and murder in her eyes, in the event her baby brother is hurt . . . He'd much rather she take it out on the Baron than him.

I generally agree most of the rest seems like him playing the role of disciplinarian.

I'm glad it works that well, at least.

Exactly, it's great. Even when confident, Neville's self-talk is never quite that over-the-top, even when he's trying to motivate himself.

He's a fairly modest, down-to-earth guy; even bonded to a grizzly bear's spirit, he's fairly easygoing (because they really don't have many things that can threaten them) - but those same elements can make him very naturally terrifying to normal people. Plus, he's used to using the trinity as his "awesomeness/over-the-top" scale, so he just thinks of himself as "competent" in any area short of Herbology or raw strength. And there is the fact that he's had to learn to moderate his strength (and downplay his size) in order not to frighten people, as well . . . Or just to get along in a world built for and populated by smaller people, for that matter. Ginny's over a foot shorter than he is, for example, and about half his mass - it's required careful adjustments, over the years.

Ah, nice detail. Agreed the connotation seems more appropriate.

*Nods* I'm still trying to decide exactly what Alex thinks of Galen, mind you. I suspect he admires and is jealous of him, by turns - after all, Galen is in a relationship with Alex's two favourite witches - but how that manifests in their day-to-day interactions, I'm not sure . . .

With only two clarifications required. I suppose it's not really relevant to cousin-hood that Shirou was adopted.

Technically, Alex is (part of) the adopted part of the family.

Auuugh.

Yeah - I like Mads Mikkelsen, but did they really need to rip off reference Doctor Strange that badly, just because he joined the franchise . . .?

Although, the film did prove useful to me in another, major way, so I suppose I can't complain too much.

Huh, now I'm wondering about what happened to some of Dumbledore's other artifacts. Yes, he didn't have a reason to explicitly leave it to anyone... so it's probably rotting in Aberforth's possession or something? I don't exactly remember. He seemed less-prepared than canon, so perhaps.

It's an interesting question, since Scrimgeour refers to the Deluminator as "an important magical artefact." Presumably it winds up in Aberforth's possession, but that line implies that it might be considered a museum-worthy piece, or deserving of "national treasure" status, for some reason - so perhaps the Ministry retains possession of it . . .? Or Hogwarts - but it's still an open question as to why. It's not as obviously important as something like the Sword of Gryffindor, or the Goblet of Fire, so why Scrimgeour would place attention on it like that is a mystery . . . Of course, he might simply have been trying to find a lever to get Harry to work with him, given the context in canon, so perhaps it's of no importance at all.

For the purposes of my canon, however, Shirou was interested in enchanting, and Hermione likes intellectual challenges with complicated magic, so it seemed like a fun little project to try and (re)create it - and the fact that it was something they could sell netted them a bit of income, as well. Sure, Shirou's family is wealthy enough not to really need it, but Hermione could use both the funds and the cachet of having unravelled enchantments created by Albus Dumbledore himself.

Now I'm kind of wondering if a magical portrait can fill in for a will, if you haven't made other preparations.

That sounds like a question of Ministry bureaucracy . . . Hm - is there a reason to involve Percy Weasley here . . .? It'd be either his or Hermione's bailiwick, I suppose.

Deathstone would be just be cheating though.

Oh, certainly - and how would you explain how you obtained the knowledge?

I don't think that Galen's date of death is solidly established enough for that to be a plot hole; I might infer that it was at the same year as he ends up in Fuyuki (though dimensional bullshit means that may not be the case, could be earlier or later; I don't actually know when you started writing, due to the Great Forum Purge, but I'd assume that would line up)

Legacies of Fate was circa 2005, when I joined the original forum - but I'll admit that I no longer remember when Trinity proper was begun (and my original files were on floppy disks, so I can't reliably check for a "created on" date).

I can't actually find many references to the year in the prologues; it's apparently after 2008 in Truth and Consequences. Takara canonically has seen all the movies, sopost-2011, but you were writing before that. The Dress is 2005, so there's lots of margin.

Takara's TYPE-MOON birth year was set as 2001, since I was under the impression Tsukihime took place in 2000; as such, the Sixth Holy Grail War is set in 2018, a few weeks prior to her seventeenth birthday. As such, she has a reason to have seen them all. I was 26 when I started writing, and wrote Galen accordingly at the time - but there was a certain level of ambiguity, even then, I suppose.

When reading, I tend to treat it as "recent enough", but the 10+ year gap at this point for extended canon does merit some explanation.

Yeah, it does. Fortunately, the Kaleidostick is a previously-introduced element in Trinity's canon, so I have some leeway there.

[Xamusel]

True, the act of being an author is good for having a cover story, I get that. I just hope you get to explore it more with your characters.

[Kieran]

We shall see . . .

[Xamusel]

Oh, Kieran, could you please go back to the Grail Works story you have going on still? It's been months since the last chapter.

[Kieran]

Oh, Kieran, could you please go back to the Grail Works story you have going on still? It's been months since the last chapter.

So, after a month of trying to focus on that, I'm at roughly 3 pages done out of my usual 10 per chapter - which is about half a page more than I had prior to that. I think I'm better off writing whatever comes to mind until my muse feels like cooperating, because at least then, something will be written . . .