Sakura's problem: I still confuse about Magic Crest and Sealing designations.

[Menwearpink]

Maybe we are reaching a point where this thread should just be locked and officially called a finished conversation.

maybe we should make a sub forum of that kinda thing as an archive too?

[madarra]

say the truth. Shiki Ryougi, Shiki Tohno, any main character of Typemoon ever not too talented/powerful? Their power usually is unique, and they have to study to control their power by themselves. All of them live beside the normal society, and nothing happened.

Are you saying Ms Ryougi ,puzle piece for a Magus experiment who only survived cuz she knew how to use her power(sounds exactly like what Tokiomi said was needed for Sakura doesnt it.)
And Mr Tohno, main lackey of the queen vampire , assassinating vampires on the regular
are leading a normal life

[kohaku]

Are you saying Ms Ryougi ,puzle piece for a Magus experiment who only survived cuz she knew how to use her power(sounds exactly like what Tokiomi said was needed for Sakura doesnt it.)
And Mr Tohno, main lackey of the queen vampire , assassinating vampires on the regular
are leading a normal life

yeah.
almost of them study to control their power by themselves.

[Dullahan]

for god's sake just write a fucking fix fic if you want, there is no need to keep relitigating the sakura issue in a thread

[Menwearpink]

I can't really say that Tohno-kun has a grasp on his powers or solves his problems ever.

[aldeayeah]

Maybe we are reaching a point where this thread should just be locked and officially called a finished conversation.

maybe we should make a sub forum of that kinda thing as an archive too?

for god's sake just write a fucking fix fic if you want, there is no need to keep relitigating the sakura issue in a thread

He created the thread to discuss the Sakura situation and that's what he's doing. Sure, he may be repeating himself, but IMO there is no point in trying to bully them into shutting up.

[Menwearpink]

I dunno saying that a thread seems to have served its purpose doesn't feel like bullying to me.

[aldeayeah]

If beating a dead horse was a reason to close threads, barely any open threads would exist.

and as for sakura in particular, I think mike drained the well dry many years ago

say the truth. Shiki Ryougi, Shiki Tohno, any main character of Typemoon ever not too talented/powerful? Their power usually is unique, and they have to study to control their power by themselves. All of them live beside the normal society, and nothing happened.

"Nothing happened" is a bit of an understatement, given that every single one of them found themselves in the clutches of the most powerful supernaturals in their general vicinity before reaching adult age. See also this pearl of wisdom:

Special powers attract other special powers.
- Aoko Aozaki, Tsukihime prologue

Generally, in TM works, when a supernatural finds a way to live a peaceful life, it's either because they become strong enough to protect themselves, or because they're under the protection of someone who is.

[Menwearpink]

I guess this is, viewing it from another way, a containment sacrifice for all the Sakura talk.

[Altima of the Gates]

kohaku and triple accel 555 cannot help but try and get the last word in or continue their circlejerk. Then someone else responds, Altima gives a more nuanced take, rinse and repeat.

Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Nasu made the mistake of having that blurb that Tokiomi knew of and considered having Sakura stay with the Edelfelts(joke scenario or not, it was based on a situation that happened - through jokes, there is a nugget of truth blahblahblah), so anything posted afterward about how he was cornered and somehow couldn't help but give her to a dying family with a known monster is weak, weak, weak..
That is one thing I wouldn't let him slide under the rug there.

[kohaku]

"Nothing happened" is a bit of an understatement, given that every single one of them found themselves in the clutches of the most powerful supernaturals in their general vicinity before reaching adult age. See also this pearl of wisdom:

Special powers attract other special powers.
- Aoko Aozaki, Tsukihime prologue

Generally, in TM works, when a supernatural finds a way to live a peaceful life, it's either because they become strong enough to protect themselves, or because they're under the protection of someone who is.

I agree that I have a bit of an understatement when saying " nothing happened". But really, their life actually aren't the mess that " MA will know about you, they will find you.".

In Fate timeline, I believe Mr.Shiki's fate will as same as Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku route instead of Arc/Ciel route. And he is the guy who should worry about his power more than anyone among Mrs.Shiki or Sakura,Rin.

[TheSeaDragon]

Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Nasu made the mistake of having that blurb that Tokiomi knew of and considered having Sakura stay with the Edelfelts(joke scenario or not, it was based on a situation that happened - through jokes, there is a nugget of truth blahblahblah), so anything posted afterward about how he was cornered and somehow couldn't help but give her to a dying family with a known monster is weak, weak, weak..
That is one thing I wouldn't let him slide under the rug there.

pretty much

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Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Nasu made the mistake of having that blurb that Tokiomi knew of and considered having Sakura stay with the Edelfelts(joke scenario or not, it was based on a situation that happened - through jokes, there is a nugget of truth blahblahblah), so anything posted afterward about how he was cornered and somehow couldn't help but give her to a dying family with a known monster is weak, weak, weak..
That is one thing I wouldn't let him slide under the rug there.

pretty much.

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Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Nasu made the mistake of having that blurb that Tokiomi knew of and considered having Sakura stay with the Edelfelts(joke scenario or not, it was based on a situation that happened - through jokes, there is a nugget of truth blahblahblah), so anything posted afterward about how he was cornered and somehow couldn't help but give her to a dying family with a known monster is weak, weak, weak..
That is one thing I wouldn't let him slide under the rug there.

prettty much

[Altima of the Gates]

I agree that I have a bit of an understatement when saying " nothing happened". But really, their life actually aren't the mess that " MA will know about you, they will find you.".

In Fate timeline, I believe Mr.Shiki's fate will as same as Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku route instead of Arc/Ciel route. And he is the guy who should worry about his power more than anyone among Mrs.Shiki or Sakura,Rin.

Well Aldy was giving the basic fact that special people will be approached by other special things whether they like it or not. Doesn't have to be Enforcers. Could be that one random Fae who is out on some distant mountain sniffs out something special in a child going on a camping trip and the chances of that child being kidnapped goes up. Things like that.
Being special sucks in a way, Shinji got a taste of it in UBW and decided "nope".
Though, and I said this before, the way families prepare their children for what is to come is either really good and overblown, or turning them into time bombs waiting to happen due to really bad decisions.
Shiki was contrived to be ready for things so well in advance going almost a decade without training didn't fuck it up....kinda. Tokiomi is both conscientious and a blockhead at the same time, and its scary how he both did and didn't prepare. He had patents that would enable his daughter to love up until near adulthood alone without finding a job. But then he left her tutelage to a guy he willingly kinda ignored all the warning signs from.
Although there is a caveat that Kirei did train Rin well and added medicine/martial arts to her repertoire, so she lucked out that at least her father's killer did his job as teacher well. With Sakura, I've already said as much what went wrong there, so no need to retread. Its a cluster the way these societies function. Like you're actively trying to make monsters that could fuck things up.

[TheSeaDragon]

sigh, again in a FB group

A totally harmless post.."Happy birthday sakura" then some comments..."lol, cake of worms" . I mean, the original post was not saying.."sakura is great your waifu is shit" it was just saying.."happy birthday to this character" , why this neccesity from these edgy tweens , and obviously their defense is "lol, chill, not real" is not about that, is havin some respect for other people and not think you are the king of comedy for parrot the most burned out joke of the fandom.

Mybe i should just leave these groups

[kohaku]

maybe this group is better to you: https://www.facebook.com/groups/706660549380233

People there is less toxic.
Although many of them still don't read VN, they are will to hear your explaination about the different between anime and VN version.

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The only way to stop the blaming victim: supporting the rape survivor organizations. We humans only begin to fight on the topic from 1970s until now, it still a long way to go.

[TheSeaDragon]

ok, but what make it special ?

edit : already joined, seems decent

[kohaku]

another question:
Can we really see FHA's Sakura is the same character with FSN's Sakura?

I mean. We have the very long writing on Zhihu to prove that FHA's Shinji and FSN's Shinji are totally different characters.

[Byegod]

Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Can you elaborate on what you mean with both?

[madarra]

Well there is lots of stuff to really go on in this topic, because it spirals into things that are well traveled issues with the supernatural world and how families are run.

Nasu made the mistake of having that blurb that Tokiomi knew of and considered having Sakura stay with the Edelfelts(joke scenario or not, it was based on a situation that happened - through jokes, there is a nugget of truth blahblahblah), so anything posted afterward about how he was cornered and somehow couldn't help but give her to a dying family with a known monster is weak, weak, weak..
That is one thing I wouldn't let him slide under the rug there.

I wonder if Tokiomi thought the Edelfelts were actually racist instead of just vindictive/holding a grudge.

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another question:
Can we really see FHA's Sakura is the same character with FSN's Sakura?

Dont deny the possibility of character growth/change just because you respect the way a character handles suffering

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I wonder if Tokiomi thought the Edelfelts were actually racist instead of just vindictive/holding a grudge.

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Dont deny the possibility of character growth/change just because you respect the way a character handles suffering

Or maybe he was the racist because he preferred a Japanese family over some gaijin magus family? Would be weird, but still...

More likely than not, them not being intimately involved with the Grail would likely have given him some pause, though if Zouken never made his offer, maybe Tokiomi would have reached out to the Edelfelts...