Servant/Project Idea Thread, "The Womb"

[Random]

I might take you up on that when I have enough of the rest of the sheet that it would make sense.

For now, my brain appears to have decided it really wants to get up to "Chapter 6" of my fic, so we seem to be doing that now instead.

[DracoScribe]

Shower thought/idea: make a standalone T. rex Servant instead of being a Noble Phantasm of Barnum Brown (and other notable finders of T. rex specimens) because we got "King of Knights", "King of Heroes", etc, so why not the King of the Dinosaurs

Any thoughts on this?
Because I want to do it because my brain is already going brrrrrrr on the idea (with a preliminary personality and FC ideas to use for "Sue"/T. rex)
But then I run into a problem(?) I had for Cope and Marsh: how are dinosaurs treated/depicted in the Nasuverse?
Which now runs into the "problem" of "lb7 is probably my best source but i don't really wanna spoil myself on it"
So uh
Yeah

[Random]

how are dinosaurs treated/depicted in the Nasuverse?

They're not. We've never encountered any actual dinosaurs.

The closest we have is Quetzalcoatl's Noble Phantasm, Quetzalcoatlus, which is apparently somewhere between a Phantasmal and Divine Beast - is that because it's the Noble Phantasm of a goddess? Who can say?

[BnEl15]

Not counting the dinos from LB7, there's Mary Anning, but aside from her using an Ichythosaurus as a spear and summoning an Elasmosaurus, there's not much else on Nasuverse dinos so far.

[Random]

LB7's deinos aren't even dinosaurs. They're a new species entirely.

[Comun]

They're not. We've never encountered any actual dinosaurs.

Explain Melusine.

[TQG Imaginatorious]

She's now a dinosaur? Since when?

[Comun]

Since it was revealed she's a pure-blooded dragon. Relevant post on the matter.

[Formless Creature]

I'm confused, does that mean every dinosaur is a dragon or does it just means dragons are dinosaurs? Like, are there non-dragon dinosaurs?

[Comun]

Pure-blooded dragons were never explained in detail, but we know that they already existed 4.6 billion years ago and that they left the outer side of the planet before humanity was even a thing. As explained in the linked quote, nowadays pure-blooded dragons are fossils, so I say yes, all dinosaurs were pure-blooded dragons.

Sorry if I'm explaining stuff you already know in this follow, but the big important thing about the "pure-blooded dragon" distinction is that, Albion aside, ALL pure-blooded dragons are fully gone pre-humanity but when they left behind what's sorta like a mystic genetic factor, and all dragons that appear in mythology are human guys that inherited the Dragon Factor and became dragons in life for a reason.

For the Fafnir line of dragons, it's greed. For Nero Draco, it's the reaction to learning no one cared about her dying. For Kiyohime, it's her feelings of betrayal because Anchin didn't love her back. For Vortigern, it was his drive to preserve Britain's arcanity. Transforming always comes from a really powerful emotion, and if you wanna make a sheet for a dragon, I'd say the main thing you need to do is nail the reason why they are a dragon.

[RoydGolden]

Pure-blooded dragons were never explained in detail, but we know that they already existed 4.6 billion years ago and that they left the outer side of the planet before humanity was even a thing. As explained in the linked quote, nowadays pure-blooded dragons are fossils, so I say yes, all dinosaurs were pure-blooded dragons.

Sorry if I'm explaining stuff you already know in this follow, but the big important thing about the "pure-blooded dragon" distinction is that, Albion aside, ALL pure-blooded dragons are fully gone pre-humanity but when they left behind what's sorta like a mystic genetic factor, and all dragons that appear in mythology are human guys that inherited the Dragon Factor and became dragons in life for a reason.

For the Fafnir line of dragons, it's greed. For Nero Draco, it's the reaction to learning no one cared about her dying. For Kiyohime, it's her feelings of betrayal because Anchin didn't love her back. For Vortigern, it was his drive to preserve Britain's arcanity. Transforming always comes from a really powerful emotion, and if you wanna make a sheet for a dragon, I'd say the main thing you need to do is nail the reason why they are a dragon.

That's weird because I'm sure there's myths of dragons that weren't originally human. How would that be reconciled in the Nasuverse?

[Ismail2002]

One such weird case is Baru Kelinting which I made a sheet for him. His origins are strange. He was born after his mother put a mystic dagger on her lap that caused her to be pregnant. But He was born a full-body dragon right from birth and was an outcast because of it. He only turned human after the hunters cut him down while he was meditating and was reborn into a sickly boy's body. So how does that translate in the Nasuverse since it can go either way?

[Comun]

That's weird because I'm sure there's myths of dragons that weren't originally human. How would that be reconciled in the Nasuverse?

That's a case-by-case situation that whoever is writing the dragon needs a unique answer for based on the contents of the myth. No "one size fits all" answer for this.

[Formless Creature]

That's weird because I'm sure there's myths of dragons that weren't originally human. How would that be reconciled in the Nasuverse?

Tarrasque goes unexplained (please correct me if I'm wrong), so I think you can always just gloss it over and let it be assumed that it was a random person provided the dragon itself isn't the actual subject of the sheet.

[pinetree]

I'm not comfortable accepting all dinosaurs were actually pure-blooded dragons because that's exceedingly dumb. Seems plausible enough that only some of the fossils came from dragons and that scientists just misidentified them all as different archosaurians.

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arcanity

Weird but I'm kinda into it

[Random]

some of the fossils came from dragons and that scientists just misidentified them all as different archosaurians

Assuming they were identified at all. It's entirely possible that they simply haven't been found, depending on how deep in the earth they really are.

Though either way I wouldn't count Melusine as a dinosaur, since Albion is the same age as the planet, and past a certain point you're less of a dinosaur and more of just a really old lizard.

[FarewellToMrA]

Tarrasque goes unexplained (please correct me if I'm wrong), so I think you can always just gloss it over and let it be assumed that it was a random person provided the dragon itself isn't the actual subject of the sheet.

I'm pretty sure Tarrasque's purported origin of being a child of Leviathan has been mentioned numerous times across FGO at this point. I'd feel comfortable saying it can be considered confirmed, if not explicitly then implicitly.

[jishara]

Quick q, I'm planning to do a servant who's sorta an equal/opposite counter to a pre-existing Foreigner of mine and am trying to choose between Shielder and Foreigner for him. Which would you recommend?

[Spelror]

who are you having in mind?

[jishara]

Gradlon, my previous foreigner Dahut's dad. Foreigner because given that in Dahut's sheet Ys == R'lyeh (or some part of it) it's likely that Gradlon also saw Cthulhu (also because mechanicalistically Foreigners are strong against each other), or Shielder because of the Walls of Ys. (There's also gonna be a Rider Lily with that horse that can walk on water as the NP)