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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    Maui is definitely Grand worthy but why Rider? I'd make him Grand Lancer if anything

    also Adam??
    Adam I would more see as a beast of humanity than anything, although I could see Adam Kadmon as a Grand Berserker with his form of insanity being "perfection" (in that he is too perfect to be considered human or living). Same reason I would see him as a beast of humanity. I feel a Grand Berserker Adam (the flawed creation of the original Man whose either doubt or desire to "be more" caused him to eat the fruit of knowledge) versus Beast Adam Kadmon could be an interesting idea.


    As for Grand Rider Maui; Maui's hook, in both Hawaii and New Zealand myths the islands were created from Giant fish Maui fished up, plus I think there's a myth of how maui slowed the sun down. I interpret that as Maui's hook / magic hip bone letting him control and "ride" anything that he catches with it, like animals, waves, the wind, and the sun itself. And I am aware of the sex joke associated with that, but give Maui's legend and how he died, I think it's pretty fitting in his case.


    Plus Maui is associated with the possible founding /migration of the Polynesian people and may have taught them how to sail. Grand Rider kinda fits on a few levels as a result.

    Regarding Noah as Grand Rider

    I'm dubious on if we'll get a Grand Rider Noah or not, mostly because King Hassan's dialogue and statements imply that he may actually be Noah. In Singularity 7 he specifically gives the name Ziusudra for himself, the Mesopotamian equivalent of Noah (and considering the Abrahamic religions also originate in or around Mesopotamia Noah may or may not be the same as Ziusudra). While I don't know if it's ever been confirmed if he is Ziusudra, everyone involved basically says "that isn't a name you use / claim lightly / as a joke" meaning it's very possible he is.


    Other evidence supports this like him not exactly liking Rameses the 2nd from what we can see (We know his history with the Abrahamic religions and Moses), his extreme religious fervor, the fact that his sword is named after the Angel of Death from the Abrahamic religions1, the fact that he wasn't happy with Cursed arm putting a demon in his body, the fact he seems to know at least some stuff about Ancient Mesopotamia (based on comments towards Tiamat), it all points to a possibly solid case that he wasn't lying.



    1 Who King Hassan may or may not be the same person or figure as; With both his valley of death skill, his ability to seemingly be unaffected by Tiamat's Nega-Genesis, possibility indicating divine protection or the protection of another God's authority, and the fact that it's noted he has a Natural Body skill indicating a perfect body which he modified the form of. Plus we know the guy was around and alive for thousands of years if he was Ziusudra to kill the other Hassans when they went astray, indicating he very well likely isn't human as even the best methods of immortality most mages have either have serious downsides or probably wouldn't last for 4.5 millennia. Plus consider the guy was good enough to toy with a empowered member of the knights of the round and outmatch him in swordsmanship and power, which is very odd for an assassin, indicating possibly he isn't human or he has had a lot of time to practice.

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    I wonder if Adam kadmon would even qualify as human or if he would count as a divine spirit given his soul is a reflection of the light of god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cursed by Fortuna View Post
    Regarding Noah as Grand Rider

    I'm dubious on if we'll get a Grand Rider Noah or not, mostly because King Hassan's dialogue and statements imply that he may actually be Noah. In Singularity 7 he specifically gives the name Ziusudra for himself, the Mesopotamian equivalent of Noah (and considering the Abrahamic religions also originate in or around Mesopotamia Noah may or may not be the same as Ziusudra). While I don't know if it's ever been confirmed if he is Ziusudra, everyone involved basically says "that isn't a name you use / claim lightly / as a joke" meaning it's very possible he is.


    Other evidence supports this like him not exactly liking Rameses the 2nd from what we can see (We know his history with the Abrahamic religions and Moses), his extreme religious fervor, the fact that his sword is named after the Angel of Death from the Abrahamic religions1, the fact that he wasn't happy with Cursed arm putting a demon in his body, the fact he seems to know at least some stuff about Ancient Mesopotamia (based on comments towards Tiamat), it all points to a possibly solid case that he wasn't lying.



    1 Who King Hassan may or may not be the same person or figure as; With both his valley of death skill, his ability to seemingly be unaffected by Tiamat's Nega-Genesis, possibility indicating divine protection or the protection of another God's authority, and the fact that it's noted he has a Natural Body skill indicating a perfect body which he modified the form of. Plus we know the guy was around and alive for thousands of years if he was Ziusudra to kill the other Hassans when they went astray, indicating he very well likely isn't human as even the best methods of immortality most mages have either have serious downsides or probably wouldn't last for 4.5 millennia. Plus consider the guy was good enough to toy with a empowered member of the knights of the round and outmatch him in swordsmanship and power, which is very odd for an assassin, indicating possibly he isn't human or he has had a lot of time to practice.
    Umm...I guess you've been out of the loop when it comes to Fate/Grand Order Arcade then?

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    [[ This here is Grand Rider Noah, just recently revealed yesterday I believe. ]]

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    Holy fucking shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    Umm...I guess you've been out of the loop when it comes to Fate/Grand Order Arcade then?

    If you don't care about spoilers then enter...

    [[ This here is Grand Rider Noah, just recently revealed yesterday I believe. ]]

    honestly i find nw went they with the boring route but for me is the true Grand Rider Ziusudra aka Utnapishtim or his greecizied name Xisuthros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    If it's just making it sunny, regardless of the mechanics behind it, I can't see it going beyond B rank.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexcoene View Post
    Honestly, yeah, if it's only effect, then it doesn't sounds like it would warrant a huge rank. Unless he's constantly paired with Gawain or something, the usefulness seems to be very niche.
    I was thinking of including additional effects that give him passives when in sunlight in general. I was originally thinking of mana regeneration, since he was a farmer and the main reason he was worried about the sun being gone was because it would both put everyone in darkness and kill everyone's crops, so my thoughts were "growing crops = mana regen"; however he already has two other skill which regen mana for him, so I doubt he'd need a third effect for that. I also considered the idea of increasing his divinity ranking while in the sun (yes, he has divinity for lore reasons), considering he gained divinity after he talked to the sun (plus he was worshiped as a deity). Those were the two choices I thought up the other day, but I'd probably end up leaning more so towards the latter choice.

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    I imagine Adam kadmon to be too perfect and inhuman to be a servant.

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    Has someone noticed what i have said before as i get again the uncomfortable feeling of being ignored .

    like the Grand Rider.
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    Bruh. Stop begging for responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    Umm...I guess you've been out of the loop when it comes to Fate/Grand Order Arcade then?

    If you don't care about spoilers then enter...

    [[ This here is Grand Rider Noah, just recently revealed yesterday I believe. ]]

    Grand Rider & Arcade Story theory {{spoilers mentioned, you have been warned}}

    I don't play FGO Arcade nor do I follow it. Thus Unless it's On TV Tropes section for Arcade Only Characters in FGO, it gets ported or referenced in FGO (which I only play off and on), or I see it mentioned somewhere else then I probably don't know much about it. Can't say I dig the choice given it's the literal most obvious choice plus this makes 2 possibly 3 beasts and 3 grands all from the same mythology pool and what I just mentioned, but given Typemoon I shouldn't be surprised.


    Not a fan of the character design either, the guy (assuming they aren't genderbent) looks really young, and overall they just make me Nasu & Co stole notes Lysithea's pre and post time skip designs (especially the hair, looks near identical to her pre-timeskip design except with the braid things). Plus the whole mystic white hair things is kinda done to death at this point ain't it? I do wonder if his ark just applies to normal animals or if it's got phantasmal and divine beasts in it. It would be a heck of a thing if he could just basically summon a horde of dragons to smash anyone into oblivion.


    Gripes about the choice of Grand and design aside, it does give me a theory. Larva Tiamat references another Beast, one also associated with the Sea threatening humanity, and I think that the Beast behind the events in Arcade is different from Goetia. Given Noah has now appeared I wonder if they're going to go with it being the Peldua.


    It's supposedly a monster from French myth that according to legend wasn't allowed on the Ark by Noah, but it survived the flood and later terrorized the River Huisne in France. It also may have inspired the design of Lavos from Chrono Trigger (another game about time travel) so it would be fitting at the very least to have it appear in some capacity. Then again they could go with Lotan / Leviathan if they wanted as well, but I'm hoping they'll do something more original / interesting than that. They could even tie in the solving of the singularities as part of the Peleda's plot similar to a Xanatos Gambit.


    Similar to how atoms or molecules in a high energy state want to get to a more stable lower energy state, they could explain that the fabric of spacetime works similarly, thus whenever a singularity is resolved all the energy of that agitated unstable state is related as spacetime resolves itself. Thus the Peluda could have purposely caused the singularities knowing that if Chaldeas doesn't solve them it wins, but if it does then it still wins, because solving the singularities gives it energy that it can feed on making it stronger than before.

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    Bro, the Beast was already obviously Mother Harlot since the previous singularity,
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    and now she's aready appeared. It's Nero as Beast VI.

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    I wonder how Adam kadmon and the tree of life fit into the divine and sacred tree system anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NINE-lives View Post
    Bruh. Stop begging for responses.
    When i dont would feel that my posts are ignored i dont would do that its simple.
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    I’m actually considering giving a grand berserker Adam kadmon prompt for the secret Santa contest. What ideas for noble phantasm’s do I give for the prompt?

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    i really don't recommend just giving ideas unless you'll actually write a servant sheet in exchange

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    Yeah, it'd be kinda unfair in my opinion as well.

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    Even if, just giving someone the task to make a grand is pretty unfair. See the compilations, barely anyone did Grands yet. It is not easy.

    Have to see the rules, havent thought about the 3 candidates i suggest yet.
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    Maybe just berserker or even beast class Adam Kadmon would work.
    Last edited by NINE-lives; December 24th, 2021 at 12:02 PM.

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    Like we said, you asking for a request without giving anything back is kinda unfair. And the same logic apply to Beast as to Grand.

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    More than just "unfair" it is explicitly against the rules of the last few Secret Santa events.

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