Update on the Scheherazalter decisions, gonna go with Mormo, because with additional research, that's the only one ya boi HP actually made, other than Big Cloud, but I can't find any info on him other than working for Azathoth
Update on the Scheherazalter decisions, gonna go with Mormo, because with additional research, that's the only one ya boi HP actually made, other than Big Cloud, but I can't find any info on him other than working for Azathoth
https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Mormo
She’s connected to Lilith and the gorgons so that should help. You can always make stuff up if you don’t know.
Yeah, scale being a problem makes sense, and you are right on the money Vididii. Tolkien was going to be responsible for Macro scale stuff in this, while the other, who I may as well drop the mystery and say is Walt Disney, was for Micro scale. However, with Tolkien having escaped, Walt and Dantalion had to do some shenanigns. Regardless, the point is made. Would this work instead:
Shift location to Anaheim, Calafornia. The place as a whole is affected by the texture, with all the same effects, but only recently. However, Disneyland, which exists about 15 years to early, is the center point, and a fair bit bigger once you entered into it. To be exact, while the effect that separates it indicates the 500 acres it actually is, inside it is the size of Disney World, Florida(27,900 acres)
I mean... I have given it a bit of thought in the past. No real candidates just yet. Well... except one, but his existence is pivotal to the concept I have for a Lostbelt series. And he's not all that original either. It's kinda just another Satan/Lucifer sheet, with my spin on it that puts his exsistance a bit closer to the DC character.
I am in the middle of researching a few candidates in line with the outline proposal that was posted here a while back.
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On the subject of a Grand, may I suggest Cain as a grand assassin? Dude invented murder, and it’d just be funny to have a NP of his just be “Big Rock EX”. Especially if Walt sees his creation (excellent choice btw, dude always wanted to make a perfect city of his liking iirc) as a paradise, the person who performed the first undebatable sin ruining it would be rather fitting.
Choosing joker as an example is a bad choice because his goal is batman and teasing him.
Uhh citation is the fact that him waking up ends the damn universe in the hplverse, inspired by the great god of lord dunsany that has the same concept for it.
And azathoth has nothing going on except being dumb and sleeping and in concept is the origin of everything. What can one do from it? The arguments you present what his motivations are, are basically "he wants it, because i want it." This makes already a weak basis. Ignoring the basis, what can the servant do with this power? In theory they should be able to basically do anything. You can not make them not OP in a way that feels boring and every power you do come up with feels forced because there is no real basis for it in his legend or too weak considering what they are.
Choosing azathoth as the outer god in any regular servant feels automatically wrong and boring because it is basically the statement "i just want to make a powerful foreigner just because and with no actual thought process behind it."
You can make the same servant with any other outer god and make it more interesting than with azathoth. I stand firm on this opinion. I personally hope nasu and co. do not touch azathoth
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Yeah, Cain was in the options for being part of the counter-force team. And it would play into the idea I have of, by the time you fight him, Walt and his twisted mind is closer to a Beast candidate than a Ruler. Even the lack of power wouldn't exactly be a sticking point, as within Disneyland, Walt is god and essentially has Authority in the realm. However, I settled on a different idea for who ends everything. Mr 'I caused the Grail Quest', Sir Balin. Saber and Avenger versions(their on different teams).
The other counterforce option is Starkad, but he depends on if I settle on Dietrich, Uther or Thor as the most powerful Valiant Defender
While I do agree with you, playing devils advocate I can propose a few ideas that may point to Yog-Sothoth being the most powerful entity, and Aza being a lot lower on the scale. Most of it is stuff in Dream Quest for Unknown Kadath, specifically where Yog is described as the Ultimate Archetype, or the Final Archetype. Others are where there are references to universes with different physics, implying realities beyond his effect(this assumes that the Lord Dunsany connection is a fiction).
Regardless, I agree that Aza should be left alone. He would just be a giant I Win button.
On a different note: William Shakespeare, Alexandre Dumas and Hans Christen Anderson. Three great writers. Three. DIFFERENT. ITEM CONSTRUCTIONS.
We have Shakespeare's Enchant, which claims to be the skill for great writers(Or they have an NP). Hans uses his NP, so that can be forgiven a bit. BUT DUMAS. The way his NP is described to work, basically is just Enchant. A REWORKED Enchant. But still Enchant. DESPITE THIS, he gets Item Construction(Revision) instead!?
God, sometimes looking into canon skills for sheets is not worth the aneurism.
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My my, we were quite a busy thread today weren't we?
As the representative of Barthomeloi, I suppose I should lay down some
wait for it
here it comes
i'm gonna get stoned for this
lawlore
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The scrunkly (this is the most important lore).
I'll agree that the statement about 'leading a civilization' is wrong, fucking wiki. However, I will say I'm part of the school of thought that ultimate ones aren't the only life on a planet, just the prime example chosen. With this idea, Earth does not have an Ultimate one because of sentient life, than organic life. With Alaya becoming it's own thing before an Ultimate one could be formed. However, I acknowledge that this position may be faulty.
As for the alien physics thing, I think there is an okay basis for that:
This is a quote by Nasu that literally translates to 'Ort does not have rules on earth to begin with'. This could have a few meanings, but the one I take is that normal physics doesn't apply to him.そんななか、 ORTはそもそも地球上でのルールが成立しないし、
That is due to this:
This is a quote that describes the functioning of Ort's Crystal Valley effect. When talking abut physics, it literally uses the word falsification when speaking about Ort interacting with it. Whether this is falsifying earths physics to make mercury's, or creating a simulation of mercury's on earth, it implies either way a different physics.彼(?)が居るだけで地球は彼の住んでいた環境に変化していく。ようするに物理法則の改竄、“異界秩序”の だだ漏れなのである。
人間が地球を滅ぼす種なら、ORTは文字通り地球を異星に塗り替える”侵略者”なのだ。
Translation: He (?) Just by being there, the earth changes into the environment in which he lived. In other words, it is the falsification of the laws of physics, the leak of the "otherworldly order". If humans are the species that destroys the Earth, the ORT is literally the "invaders" who will turn the Earth into aliens.
Despite this, the argument can be made your right. There are a few times nasu simply refers to the common sense of the planet, and those would included mystic laws alongside physical ones.
There is also this:
That implies you have to destroy it physically. However, whether this just means that would be the more effective route for the possessors of the MEoDP, or an across the board thing I don't know. And while I interpret this as 'Physically, as in through interactions with the laws of physics' it could easily be 'Physically, interaction with concepts is a waste of time'ちなみに直死の魔眼ではコイツは殺せません。 死の概念がないので物理的に破壊するしかないのである。
Translation: By the way, you can't kill him with the magic eye of direct death. Since there is no concept of death, there is no choice but to physically destroy it.
As for Tsuki... I go no defense for the conflation other than, I'm never sure what is cannon, so I act like everything is and deal with the fallout later.
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I’m curious if you’ll have any DLC characters. You could use some Indian or middle eastern servants to fill out the roster.
I think we can agree to disagree on the topic of life on other planets; there's no particular concrete statement either way that I'm aware of, it's more a consequence of induction. But induction will tend to be fairly flimsy when there's a sample size of one, that being Earth. We have no lock on other planets with more than a single definitive specimen of life, so we have no definite conclusion about sapient life or merely life other than the planet itself being the factor.
I can't support my assertion beyond the previous line of logic, so I can't really say anything further.
On the physics topic, however, I have a lot to say.
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To be entirely fair, people generally don't remember that Tsuki no Sango even exists, let alone what it would imply for Nasu's later works. But it's very much a more "fairytale" sort of story, so it's fair to say that it doesn't fit quite right into a more rigorous and clearly interconnected canon like the modern nasuverse. It's not like there's an offical concept of it being removed from canon; officially, it is a timeline where Tsukihime didn't happen, and it's a World of Steel-type world, but magecraft lingers, which is why it can't be called an EXTRA world. It's kinda just a mess to try and force it in, so it's easier to just put it on the side and enjoy it for what it is; a lovely story written by our favourite deranged mushroom.
Yeah, on the first point, I am happy to agree to that. In a universe like this, so much is based upon a persons personal interpretations of some pretty vague things, that it's useless to try say any one person is definitively right until the creator says so.
On the stuff for physics, yeah, that is solid. Makes enough sense with the full context and an explanation of someone with a better grasp of the language and so isn't having to rely on translation sites. I'm happy to agree with you on this now, so thanks for that.
On the last point: Eh, I know it probably isn't a good perception, but it works most the time.Up until you decide to reference DDD and your friend wants to put you 6 feet under, but personal problems are personal.
Regardless, I do want to apologies if I came off as a bit combative in my first response. Thanks for the lore!
Hey vididii. How’s your morrigan coming along? You said that it would be ready today.