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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    It's also kind of interesting how the Millenium Castle space is referred to as a universe, and not a world. Does that have to do with the order inside being kind of alien? I wonder if similar terminology is used in another TM work when it comes to the creation of these alternate spaces?
    I believe its same usage as Universe of Awareness or Observation Universe and Record Universe.
    IMO those terms are better translated as Cosmos - like an order (秩序).
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    I believe its same usage as Universe of Awareness or Observation Universe and Record Universe.
    IMO those terms are better translated as Cosmos - like an order (秩序).
    宇宙?
    I think the most relevant one as related to what Arcueid causes is the whole 概念の宇宙 (conceptual universe)
    This one also shows up in Mahoyo in regards to Flat Snark.

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    Does it have something to do with 惑星の記憶? The planet's memory. I've seen that term used a couple of times in different scenes but I'm still not quite sure I'm even close to grasping the concept. But maybe some observation record from the planet's perspective, kinda like the Moon Cell?
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    その外側、彼女の宇宙の外にいる俺ですら、見えない圧力で全身が締め付けられる。

    Was the line. I can see drawing the connection to the conceptual universe given how Shiki remarks upon entering, that part of what Roa sought was appearing and we all know how ecstatic he was when Arc cubed him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Does it have something to do with 惑星の記憶?
    惑星の記憶 was used when Shiki descended into the universe of concepts funny enough.
    星の記憶 is used when Arc changed the hallway.

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    Good finding on that Roa bit. I can see the connection.
    Those terms probably refer to the same thing. Also, Archetype's Arc Drive is called Memory. She says "this is the planet's memory" (hoshi no kioku).
    How can she weaponize memories though? It's very intriguing.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    宇宙?
    I think the most relevant one as related to what Arcueid causes is the whole 概念の宇宙 (conceptual universe)
    This one also shows up in Mahoyo in regards to Flat Snark.
    Yeah, rather than what we think of a universe, 宇宙 and especially 概念宇宙 is usually used to mean space in which certain rules apply or do not apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Does it have something to do with 惑星の記憶? The planet's memory. I've seen that term used a couple of times in different scenes but I'm still not quite sure I'm even close to grasping the concept. But maybe some observation record from the planet's perspective, kinda like the Moon Cell?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Good finding on that Roa bit. I can see the connection.
    Those terms probably refer to the same thing. Also, Archetype's Arc Drive is called Memory. She says "this is the planet's memory" (hoshi no kioku).
    How can she weaponize memories though? It's very intriguing.
    "So in other words, time there is not working properly. It's not like there's only one way for time to pass by. The time it takes for something to rot away is unfairly different for everything. Then, it should follow that a human individual and its memory take different times to disappear. When someone dies, does that person's memory disappear? It doesn't, right? As long as there are observers, ones to remember, nothing disappears instantly, but gradually fades away.

    “Memories, or rather, "records". If an observer happens to be in the environment around that person, people like those girls will be preserved by their memories and walk the earth as "illusions" even after their deaths. This is part of the phenomenon which we know as "ghosts". The only ones who see these projections are the ones that share the memories with these ghosts, namely their parents and friends. Shiki, however, is an exception.

    "Of course, the passage of time does affect these "records", but at the top of that building, it seems to occur at a much slower rate. The girls' memories from when they were alive have not caught up to their true state yet.
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    Marble Phantasm the memory. If it happened before it can happen now.
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
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    Heh, that makes it seem like Marble Phantasm can do literally anything.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    well it's called 空想具現化 (materialization of fantasy) for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Heh, that makes it seem like Marble Phantasm can do literally anything.
    It basically can.
    Man that scene with Shiki flying through the conceptual universe, seeing all of creation at extreme speeds is so fucking trippy. Nasu must have been on acid when he wrote that since that's how I feel when I play through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaya View Post
    It basically can.
    Man that scene with Shiki flying through the conceptual universe, seeing all of creation at extreme speeds is so fucking trippy. Nasu must have been on acid when he wrote that since that's how I feel when I play through it.
    I think that was Nasu trying to one up ufotable who did that with Paradox Spiral which was trying to adapt Touko saying Ryougi might be dreaming of all creation.
    Basically he had told us it and now he's trying to show us it. Evolution as a writer.
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ticeexcenny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaya View Post
    It basically can.
    Man that scene with Shiki flying through the conceptual universe, seeing all of creation at extreme speeds is so fucking trippy. Nasu must have been on acid when he wrote that since that's how I feel when I play through it.
    I was half expecting to see Arc clones start popping up as celestial bodies like Beast III/L's conceptual universe and does multiple different poses and then the main one chilling in the center like this CG lol
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    I don't even want to think about what's going to happen once Roa puts Arc in the middle of that underground sanctum.

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    Do you think that's actually a missing or pending plot element? I don't think that underground shrine was ever addressed. It was Vlob's lair but it didn't seem like he built it.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Pending. It's been there for years. Tohno land. MBTL makes it very apparent it's where Roa is going to conduct his ritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaya View Post
    I don't even want to think about what's going to happen once Roa puts Arc in the middle of that underground sanctum.
    There's a reason why Roa uses Numerology
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
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    Can't wait to see Beast V Arc in FGO part 3.

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    It's a cursed and nonsensical thought.
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    That I regret having 4 weeks ago lol. I think it would be even more lame than DAA5=Beast V. I don't even.

    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    There's a reason why Roa uses Numerology
    Tsukihime was Eva all along. I agree.

    Very Important.
    https://eyemirror.jp/tsukihime/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Can't wait to see Beast V Arc in FGO part 3.
    Hell no, keep Arc out of FGO pls. Anniversary guest fanservice Servant only.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Hell no, keep Arc out of FGO pls. Anniversary guest fanservice Servant only.
    what, you arent ready for the MC`s to fail in LB7 and run to the last place uncorrupted by the Alien God, The Moon!, where we get greeted by Arc who offers us up a base of operations for Part 3 ?

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    Arc's edition of the Moon Cell, aptly called Moon Neuron.

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