Super Tsukihime Remake Spoiler Thread

[TomPen94]

What makes vampires "evil" isn't that they're big meanies, but that they prey on humans to survive. It's not that they do it just for funsies (some do, way more than they need, of course).
Since being a DA entails a constant and ever increasing need to consume human blood, that makes them "evil" almost by definition. In a way, they can't help being "evil", from the perspective of humans.

I think the remake makes a good point of puting this conflict into perspective when Ciel explains to Shiki just how hopelessly incompatible humans and TAs are.

[Alfredo845]

I mean, that was from the original, even if I'm not sure it was stated directly, it was explicit as the TAs that were an extension of the planet killed humans to stop them from destroying the planet the same way humans kill vampire to prevent them from killing other humans

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Also, has any other vampire besides Sion been shown to have a moral system?

[LegalLoliLover]

What makes vampires "evil" isn't that they're big meanies, but that they prey on humans to survive. It's not that they do it just for funsies (some do, way more than they need, of course).
Since being a DA entails a constant and ever increasing need to consume human blood, that makes them "evil" almost by definition. In a way, they can't help being "evil", from the perspective of humans.

I think the remake makes a good point of puting this conflict into perspective when Ciel explains to Shiki just how hopelessly incompatible humans and TAs are.

Nonfatal feedings are a thing, and Vlov's bite of Noel shows that a single bite doesn't infect (or else, Noel's paranoia/placebo wouldn't be paranoia/placebo, if the concern was real). Of course, we live in the age of blood packs... Also, yes, Ciel. The nun. The Burial Agent. The dog from the Church. Sorry, if I view anything from them as skewed and biased, to put it nicely. Again, currently, there is only 1 clergyman whose words means anything to be. And that one eats mapo, not curry.

I mean, that was from the original, even if I'm not sure it was stated directly, it was explicit as the TAs that were an extension of the planet killed humans to stop them from destroying the planet the same way humans kill vampire to prevent them from killing other humans

Maybe better to view as thesis and antithesis, rather than good and evil, because you know what? The planet has a point there.

[Reverse_side98]

Just finished Aoko's story in mbtl. What's the Pantheon Roa mentioned and why did he assume aoko came from the future or something?

[Nanaya]

Just finished Aoko's story in mbtl. What's the Pantheon Roa mentioned and why did he assume aoko came from the future or something?

Unclear but speculation is that it is probably relating to Arcueid and his eclipse-like ritual. The goal of which is uncertain but probably relating to the egg and his pursuit of eternity. It's all reminiscent of the aylesbury ritual from Tsuki 2 we know a little about so it may be linked to reviving the crimson moon(which in itself is a speculation but seems reasonable...). Basically we don't know for certain. The reason he thinks she came from the future is because he's assuming that his plan was a success and thus a Magician is going back in time to try and prevent it was my take? For what it's worth... the Magicians were supposed to appear when the Tsuki 2 ritual came underway if I remember right. It seems like a huge deal in any case if it involves Arc and what Shiki saw.

[Petrikow]

Just finished Aoko's story in mbtl. What's the Pantheon Roa mentioned and why did he assume aoko came from the future or something?

We had a long discussion about this in the Melty Blood thread just recently, so I'll just avoid repeating myself and link my post from there instead.

Of course, if you feel like you have any additional questions, go ahead. This is a topic I love discussing anyways.

[Namelesss]

This trailer still makes my heart flutter

[Nanaya]

It makes me fucking salty is what it does. To the next 10 years. Hopefully these are better.

[Comun]

One thing I noticed is that Roa's criticism for DA Noel is her Arcade Mode is the same criticism Vam-Fem has for Jester. Noel identified herself as an avenger but claimed she doesn't care where Roa reincarnates next after she kills him once, and is more dedicating to enjoying having regained the body of the best times of her life. Jester identified himself as an enemy of Human Order but heads over heels for a Servant. Both end up getting called out by a senior Dead Apostle for being uncommitted. Is staying always true to yourself an important common value widely shared in the Dead Apostle community?

[BoktaiMoon]

Or staying at a convent, but this is Noel we're talking about.

I really don't see the Church's logic in like "Hey kiddo we know you are still mourning but here's the deal serve the Church or we rip your head off". I mean Ciel had super powers and from their view it might have been a Roa plot, or just using her to kill Roa is an acceptable cost, but Noel just got lucky so why even pay attention to this random? Just erase her memory and kick her out really

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Noel would have either had a great or terrible time in a convent, no in-betweens.

Cut to Noel fucking the choir boys and people going ItsLaurentiusbutawoman.jpg

Or meeting Tsukihime Kiara who just plainly cannot become the final boss she was meant to be cuz Tsuki runs on Horror not Horny

[Petrikow]

You can't just remove people's memories willy nilly, especially after such a big incident.

Ciel and Noel explain this to Shiki after Vlov is defeated.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I really don't see the Church's logic in like "Hey kiddo we know you are still mourning but here's the deal serve the Church or we rip your head off". I mean Ciel had super powers and from their view it might have been a Roa plot, or just using her to kill Roa is an acceptable cost, but Noel just got lucky so why even pay attention to this random? Just erase her memory and kick her out really

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Cut to Noel fucking the choir boys and people going ItsLaurentiusbutawoman.jpg

Or meeting Tsukihime Kiara who just plainly cannot become the final boss she was meant to be cuz Tsuki runs on Horror not Horny

Choirboys in a convent? Not a chance. I say she'd have a great or terrible time because she'd either adjust to her all-female environment and host lesbian orgies with her sisters, or she'd go insane from the lack of teenage boys.

[Nanaya]

One thing I noticed is that Roa's criticism for DA Noel is her Arcade Mode is the same criticism Vam-Fem has for Jester. Noel identified herself as an avenger but claimed she doesn't care where Roa reincarnates next after she kills him once, and is more dedicating to enjoying having regained the body of the best times of her life. Jester identified himself as an enemy of Human Order but heads over heels for a Servant. Both end up getting called out by a senior Dead Apostle for being uncommitted. Is staying always true to yourself an important common value widely shared in the Dead Apostle community?

Looking at IB and Principles, it would make sense given DA nature of single-mindedly pursuing something to the limit to the point obsession doesn't begin to describe it.

[TomPen94]

It makes me fucking salty is what it does. To the next 10 years. Hopefully these are better.

That quote was this close to being a goddamn mockery.

[LegalLoliLover]

Is staying always true to yourself an important common value widely shared in the Dead Apostle community?

I can see that as an "anchor" in the river of eternity... Yes, I believe that I just paraphrased a Vampire Bund quote.

[Crown]

nightmare fuel, imagine that thing in midair

Spoiler:

[Comun]

What scene is this? I can’t remember it.

[Petrikow]

Noel's birthday party.

[Crown]

aren't tarantellas italian though

[Herod]

aren't tarantellas italian though

Folk dance from South Italy.