Nonhuman being the operative word. I'm pretty sure that TsukiRe straight up said that non-TA vampires are "extensions of humans".
Nonhuman being the operative word. I'm pretty sure that TsukiRe straight up said that non-TA vampires are "extensions of humans".
And I'm pretty sure there is a book that describes "literary language"
also that only confirms that they are not, at least completely, human, if not "something else"
Last edited by Alfredo845; January 15th, 2022 at 12:36 AM.
Originally Posted by Menwearpink
Actually, the usage of the term is very deliberate, and only done in info-dumps by Church people (Ciel and Mario).
You are not supposed to see it as a literary flourish. It is meant to inform your perception of the nature of Dead Apostles.
Of course, what he is arguing here however is sort of missing the point of this comparison. This descriptor is used very much as a literal "extension". As in, Dead Apostles are just humans who live longer. This is used to inform us that Dead Apostles aren't that special, outside of this one quirk of theirs. Their immortality (and all that comes with it) is their sole defining feature. Their super-powers, unique society, and what not, are just side-effects of this one trait.
Does this mean their immortality is also what cuts them off from human history?
Does kinda imply that Amakusa and Kirsch's plans would have absolutely not worked
Isn't it probably the curse being the reason?
Or staying at a convent, but this is Noel we're talking about.
Amakusa's plan would have lead to the stagnation and pruning so feared in the Nasuverse, at least to my knowledge. Kirsch's plan would have given people more freedom to change and progress and would have remade history itself. Also, did he want to make humans immortal as well as superhuman?
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Noel would have either had a great or terrible time in a convent, no in-betweens.
one thing that Tsukihime taught me is eternity is 'boring'. and when humans get bored they would do something terrible to have fun.
Kirsch's plan was just gambling.
This perspective seems terribly limiting and unimaginative, and it betrays a very narrow view of what humans can be. There are plenty of ways to enjoy oneself for eternity, especially if you have meaningful connections with your loved ones and environment, and I think Kirschtaria's plan had that in mind. He wanted to change the material conditions of humanity and human beings to foster collaboration and altruism, something that I think might have worked because people do generally change their behavior in response to material conditions, though not always. I think his problem was that he didn't realize that some people like Beryl still exist and would need to be dealt with.
unless you have incredible will power like Bediviere human soul can't withstand the eternal time.
Are you talking physically or psychologically? For the latter, the real problem is usually the isolation and loneliness, not the longer lifespan itself per say.
I mean just because you have eternal body your soul won't automatically become eternal like the body.
Zouken and Darius proved soul will rot over time.
Oh, right. That. Third Magic does solve that in theory, heck why everyone's after it in Fate.
Eternity can be as exciting as it is boring. It depends on the person. They're capable of anything that is limited by death. Watching civilizations come and go as time passes is a pretty intriguing prospect. Nothing will ever be stagnant so long sapient lives thrive.
The one drawback of being immortal is that they'll experience partings far more than a normal lifespan would allow. They might compensate by not getting too attached to others, at risk of being lonely since there will be no one they're truly close to, or they might get used to it and shrug. But if they form mutual relationship with other immortal, they might not be as miserable, but if that relationship took turn for the worse that would be another story.
Then there're immortals who might use their nature to aim for the impossible that cannot be done in one lifetime, some might want to search for mystery beyond, then there's people who just wanted to die.
Whether they do bad or good though, it ultimately depends on the person again.
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Then it depends on the method how they reach eternity. Immortals through natural means seem to not experience this drawback.
Exactly, and that's even more so when a whole society becomes immortal.
Ancestors apparently have fun mimicking human society and doing shit like game of thrones to pass the time. The possibility of being murdered and usurped is entertaining. Also, french incident is a good old party I guess.
if only every immortals live like Yu senpai.
I'm not sure Ancestors are a particularly good model of how a society of immortal humans would work, given that many of them became ancestors because of their relentless pursuit of immortality. That kind of skews the sample population.
Neither plan was just "make humans immortal".
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
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