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    True, it's a lot better when you put it that way.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Just finished True Ciel. Id give it a 8/10. Highlights include the expanded Ciel content obviously, Noel who turned better than i expected and Arcuied who despite not being the main heroine still has a huge role to play. The luminary scene which many people say were so out of place wasnt as bad as i thought it would be. Sure there were mass destruction but it didnt necessarily feel way over-the-top as i expected due to the event happening in a set location, even if there were far-reaching implications, hardly different form how the Vlov fights went down

    Now for my possibly final questions.

    "All i ever dream of are the events of that fateful day and the things I got up to before I turned eight"

    1.What fateful day is kid shiki talking about here? The dream with Arc, the nanaya massacre or the inversion event? "Those things i got up to" is it just mundane stuff or possibly foreshadowing?

    2. Since there were no given explanations what is the most common speculation that Shiki remianed a half-vampire even when Roa disappeared?

    3. Just wanted to confirm it for the final time, but Vlov IB is gone as in utterly gone and not just currently out of power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverse_side98 View Post

    3. Just wanted to confirm it for the final time, but Vlov IB is gone as in utterly gone and not just currently out of power?

    pretty sure Ciel complained she cant make a super spell out of it so she`ll use it for power. But it probably still exists within Ciel, for say a hypothetical "Zaria`s official successor shows up and wants the Idea Blood"

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    Hmm, one thing I only just noticed is that Arc's 'simplified' buildings are made of granite. If you look at the buildings they have a particular texture not present on the previous concrete buildings. It really puts into perspective the degree of the destruction Arc and Ciel were causing as a side effect of their fight as well given granite is 10x times harder than concrete.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Sorry, that's a translation issue. Maybe worth fixing. It's just 岩 (generic 'boulder') in Japanese.

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    Darn, it made so much sense too lol.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Absolutely mindfucked





    Your not a TYPE MOON fan if you don't even own a TM Merch or haven't fapped to a TM character.

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    It was a very good treat for the fans.
    burn your dread you coward

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    I just noticed, isn't this saying Arcueid is a celestial object by herself?
    Quote Originally Posted by TM-Manuscript【型月稿本】-KATATSUKI-KOUHON
    Though normally bound to the planet's interior, being a ‘soul’ (the chances of a celestial object being born in space is practically none. Force of Fate and Spacetime Causality which lets this be established is defined as a soul) meant for prolonged utilization (administration) of its celestial object, once it leaks onto the surface, it causes a system critical error.
    Roa states the same thing in the game, there is just no further clarification on a celestial object being born inside the planet via force of fate and spacetime causality.
    However, it's also pretty clear the 'soul' spoken here is not the planet's soul that died in Notes, or the soul of the planet mentioned to have taken damage in Last Encore as well as the planet's soul referenced in Garden of Avalon and Avalon le Fae. No, she is clearly a new soul entirely and the purpose of this soul is stated to be the direct management of it's celestial body.
    That's probably what it means by the statement 天体を成すもの. Altrouge is the same kind of existence.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverse_side98 View Post
    Now for my possibly final questions.

    "All i ever dream of are the events of that fateful day and the things I got up to before I turned eight"

    1.What fateful day is kid shiki talking about here? The dream with Arc, the nanaya massacre or the inversion event? "Those things i got up to" is it just mundane stuff or possibly foreshadowing?

    2. Since there were no given explanations what is the most common speculation that Shiki remianed a half-vampire even when Roa disappeared?
    1. I think it’s supposed to be the inversion event, considering he does literally dream about them as early as Day 4 I think. He doesn’t acknowledge the other two events much at all in Near Side so he’s probably not super conscious of them Imo.

    2. Iirc the corruption was just too much and it’s not easy to reverse Vampirism. It DOES corrupt even the soul and everything.

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    I'd assume the massacre. Shiki stayed a vampire because he overused his vampire abilities.

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    I just remembered something, but not sure if it's true or not.

    Was Tohno admitted into two different hospitals?



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    Most likely.

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    There's implications he was admitted at the burned Saiki hospital briefly before the one he met Aoko at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Starting with the actual question, hospital theories.

    Shiki always goes to the burned hospital suspecting in it's a vampire lair, and Ciel’s version confirms it was one but has been abandoned for years.
    But in the CG Gallery, you can find an unused non-burned version of the hospital entrance, with a big sign fully readable as “Saiki Memorial Hospital”.
    Arach is our DAA associated with oni, so that if a Saiki hospital was a vampire lair, it has to be hers.
    We know where Vlov's and Roa's lairs were, and neither was the hospital.
    Shiki in the Aoko prologue describes his doctor with a personality that matches Arach's.
    Shiki has flashbacks when Vlov tries to bite Noel, so Vlov wasn't the first vampire attack he encountered.
    Incidentally this flashback on Vlov's attack is also where the unburned hospital CG is used in-story.

    Conclusion 1: There was a vampire breakout during Shiki's stay in Saiki Memorial, and the hospital was burned to contain it.

    Now we move to the XVI theory. I asked about it because Conclusion 1 doesn't answer who was the vampire rampaging in the hospital.
    Can't be Arach because Ancestors should be more controlled than that, so Roa (XVI) is our only candidate.

    Roa gets a scene inside a coffin labeled XIV where plans what he'll do for his next incarnation (Ciel).
    Church people call Ciel by the derogatory nickname Quinze (15 in French, XV).
    SHIKI's coffin is labeled XVII.
    XVI is missing. There is one unaccounted Roa between 2001 and 2014.
    Roa says multiples in Tsuki and Lumina that this is his 17th body, so it's the art that's wrong.
    Arach is Makihisa friend for longer than he had children, and Arach loves giving unsolicited advice, so Roa picking SHIKI was likely Arach's recommendation.
    Idea: Roa goes reincarnate on Toono Shiki, but there's two kids with that name in the mansion, so he goes to the wrong.

    Conclusion 2: The vampire making a mess in the hospital was
    Roa
    Shiki
    .

    Last pending question is what burned the hospital and unRoa'd Shiki.
    Could be a generic Executor, could be Arach saving Gouto, could Aoko who we know was there.
    But there is one stronger candidate.

    Gouto says Akiha is partly responsible for his current appearance.
    Arach hypes Akiha's power ridiculous amounts, calling her on "once every 10000 years" monster. The 5 digits seem important because DAAs are in the 4 digit class.
    What could Arach see that impressed her much? Akiha in the old Kohaku route sucked Roa out of Shiki and easily overpowered his personality.
    Imagine 7-year-old doing the same. She goes oni kaiju, burns Gouto and his hospital, absorbs and dominates Roa.
    Then Arach subdues her quietly, extracts Roa, and directs him to the right Shiki, where he's much safer from the absolute monster's wrath.

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    I see, it's very informative. Thanks.

    So if it's true, in Remake Akiha has been helping and supporting Tohno even before SHIKI's Inversion incident.



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    I have a funny question

    Does explaining that Shiki killed Arc due to nanaya instincts still fly? Cause i used to think that too but ive noticed that he doesnt seem to go into nanaya mode with any other DAs and that's not even mentioning he's living with a half oni. But with Arc it was so sudden and so intense.

    I guess it was mostly just a plot device to set the plot into action and really drive in the whole "fateful meeting"?
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    I mean keep in mind that as a supernatural being Arc eclipses everyone else by a lot so it makes sense his instinct would respond strongest to her. When he runs into her on the night of Day 10 of Arc's route his Nanaya instinct is absolutely blaring.

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    What's weird is he didnt seem to display Nanaya instincts towards anyone else, not even on the 2nd time he saw vlov's burning DAs. So while it makes sense to show it against Arc, i find it strange he didnt show even a slight amount for any of the others

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    It still pops up on occasion I think, “Showtime, Vampire” comes to mind. It’s probably worth noting that he’s more aware of it by that point. I just assumed part of it was Arcueid threw him completely off.

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    Nanaya is a sliding scale. Shiki's most heavy wifi moment was the bad end. You just see some light bleedover depending on circumstances in Shiki's mannerisms, thoughts, speech etc throughout the game and Lumina also dances around his nature. You're supposed to be wondering wtf is up with our boy(As many new fans who don't know Tsuki tend to ask) as RG looms.

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