I want to dream like you.Originally Posted by Herod
I want to dream like you.
burn your dread you coward
Tsuki 2 will happen relatively soon as Studio BB's sequel to Extra Record.
There's a couple of statements here that aren't really helping your cause. The last half of your post is making it sound like we should be grateful for FGO. TM was already a full-fledged company prior to FGO. If they didn't release the new content, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't about money but Nasu's laziness, perhaps his desire of perfectionism or just that they felt too comfortable milking fate. It was the fate decade after all.
And it shows.
Really bold statement if we're speaking only of FGO tbh.
let's not get carried away
Last edited by Crown; August 18th, 2021 at 10:39 AM.
That is my point.
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
You can like whatever it is you like and that is entirely up to you, just like whatever food you enjoy eating, but saying the franchise has changed for the better when its current state is 5 year old phone game with a character slot machine and a story that read like an IRC chatlog for 4 of it's 5(6?) years of life is to me very sad. Putting aside the thematic direction of it all, the medium itself sucks so bad.
This happens with a lot of fandoms yes, but it is not an inexorable law of the universe. I have seen fandoms where this did not happen or was at least mitigated. A lot of that starts with elders in a community making an effort to welcome and include new members and make them feel like they have a stake in the community too.
Putting aside any opinions about the quality of FGO, it has introduced a lot of people to Type-Moon as a whole, especially youths who may not have gotten into it otherwise. That could charitably be seen as an improvement.
Last edited by Hermitfold; August 18th, 2021 at 12:41 PM.
OP can do what he feels like, but its really odd to say this two weeks before tsukihime remake
I think I've mentioned this before, but a critical part of why F/GO changed the TM fandom landscape so hard is that anime and weebery in general has changed in scope and size *drastically* in the last 10 years. It's basically mainstream now, and far harder than turning on Dragon Ball for a day of the week in the 90's. It's part of pop culture, it's part of adolescent tribalism, it is a cornerstone of contemporary capitalism, the whole nine yards. Not only that, the scope and size of geek shit in general, including weebshit, and by extension type moon, is also bigger as well. 15~20 years ago, when the original novels were being released, anime was heard of, but outside of stuff like Naruto and Dragon Ball, it was a rather niche thing that only "those weirdos" knew about. And this was in the middle of the geek/nerd community, that was also shunned. So the type of people that came in were mostly outcasts, that were incredibly glad to finally find a place to belong and be excited about something. And that aspect is a much smaller part of weebery today, because pop culture, power levels, chuuni, superheroes, medieval RPGs, everything is far more accepted, far more pushed by the capitalistic content machine, and the like. So not only are the average joes getting far bigger access to something you'd only have known about 15 years ago with a fair level of community knowledge and good will, these average joes are far less outcasted and far more average. There's not just the elistism, the gatekeeping, or whatever new buzzword twitter made up when they didn't like something, there's a profound cultural divide, and F/GO fans that actually like F/GO are mostly the latter.
Call me 想φαγω.
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This is an incredibly western centered point of view.
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
This is a fairly western-centered forum, so his point is valid.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
I will agree about that, but I'll add my opinion that this is probably a good thing because there was always a dark side to these "outcast" spaces from the start, and for the most part, they were somewhat racist and sexist. I don't know if that was the case in the TM fandom, but doubtless, the fandom has become more diverse and a but more inclusive regardless of how it started out.
Then you got nasu in the distance declaring materials three got burnt in the incineration and doesnt count anymore while the other writers were asking him questions
I am a western person, in a forum in a western language.
Call me 想φαγω.
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That thread is also problematic. FGO is a massive game and all lore discussion is in one thread. Do you want to find discussion on Camalot? OH LAWD, you will be shifting though posts forever.
The worst part about the thread is that since its all in one place there might be multiple discussions happening on the same page. Recently they were discussing LB6 and fairies and another post was speculating about LB7.
Both of these are interesting subjects, but it's impossible to really have discussion about this before someone new derails the thread. It's very toxic and problematic that players don't make new topics and instead treat the fourms as a discord server.
Let me start by saying I do generally agree that a bunch of the saltiness comes from the clash between the older, more hardcore, "elitist" fans and the newer more casual fans.
FGO does fit in with the theme of fate. Its about Heroic spirits and how they reafirm humanity and history. The clash is with the fate of humanity rather than a personal battle within ones self. So it does fit the theme of fate, just in a different way.However I have to disagree, on a personal level, on Servants being one of the neatest things about Fate. Fate/stay night was never about the Servants for me, but Shirou's ideological journey throughout it. The HGW is not much more than a backdrop for that. It facilitated it. It is definitely a cool concept, but I never felt it was the focus. The idea that Fate has to be about Servants is an idea that I find very restrictive and ultimately the biggest poison in the Fate portion of the TM world. Cuz every Fate product has to have a Servant or a HGW happening, no matter how contrived it is. Even Case Files, a story about Waver after the 4th HGW, ended up coming up with some bullshit about using leylines to recreate the Grail and summon a fake Servant. I mean... come on...
disagree. Each story semi-stands alone. So when new characters are added they have a story that comes with it. New stories new characters. This isn't a problem at all IMOI am not familiar with FGO lore to know how it handles the whole Servant-HGW-necessity thing but if it is as you say and characters are being added for the sake of the gacha money, then I guess you just shot yourself in the foot right there.
Nothing to lose but your chains.
I was going to say... everyone is allowed to just make threads for individual FGO topics in the FGO forum like LB6 or LB7, when they want to have a more focused discussion. Why don't you do it yourself?
What do you mean by discord server?
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
As in people have actual conversations with posts instead of making them macro essays.
Call me 想φαγω.
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You know how to cut deep Comun
This is arrogant for me to comment
but I just wish they experienced first something better
People have made individual threads for specific topics before, they simply end up drying up when the topic is exhausted. That's... literally how forums are supposed to work. Nobody's forcing you to look in the megathreads if you don't want to.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
I'm not sure if the self awareness makes it better. That said, since FGO is still a cross over most people will get compelled to search other material for more info and lore on characters they like. If the consider the rest better then there's straight up no downside, they're just going up from there.
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Technically the whole shenanigans with zero shows the annoying side of a franchise "peaking" early for some people
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