A Fond Farewell to TYPE-Moon

[Dullahan]

I was going to call you a retard and leave but changed my mind midway through replying, serves me right i guess

anyway if you want to understand tolkien just read heidegger's Question Concerning Technology

[ResidentSeagull]

I don't know what I would compare Nasu's writing to. I feel you can compare a lot of the elements of his writing to other authors, but I wouldn't say that there's anyone 1-to-1 comparable to him.

I'd personally maybe compare him to Neil Gaiman, or at least to American Gods, but that may be more in overall themes (how humanity's perception of mythical figures changes them, etc....) rather than necessarily their writing style.

[Dullahan]

if you want to look for authors who nasu resembles you are not going to find many in the west. in japan there are several. kyougoku natsuhiko's detective novels, for example, were hugely influential on knk and tsukihime and you can see where a lot of his stylistic tics come from in there

[aldeayeah]

I'm not, though it's mostly because I've never gotten around to reading more than the Hobbit.

You've probably been exposed to second, third, fourth hand Tolkien though, everyone has. That's what I meant.

[ResidentSeagull]

if you want to look for authors who nasu resembles you are not going to find many in the west. in japan there are several. kyougoku natsuhiko's detective novels, for example, were hugely influential on knk and tsukihime and you can see where a lot of his stylistic tics come from in there

Spoiler:

[Ideofago]

if you want to look for authors who nasu resembles you are not going to find many in the west. in japan there are several. kyougoku natsuhiko's detective novels, for example, were hugely influential on knk and tsukihime and you can see where a lot of his stylistic tics come from in there

Unsurprisingly, literature in a specific language is mostly influenced by highly influential literature in that same language. Barring cases of cultural imperialism.

[Araya's Dry Cleaner]

So what's the highly influential art that inspired FGO?
The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife?

[TomPen94]

ME!ME!ME!

[aldeayeah]

if you want to look for authors who nasu resembles you are not going to find many in the west. in japan there are several. kyougoku natsuhiko's detective novels, for example, were hugely influential on knk and tsukihime and you can see where a lot of his stylistic tics come from in there

Don't forget the guys who wrote/translated this xD

[Herod]

So what's the highly influential art that inspired FGO?
The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife?

Chain Chronicle.

[Rafflesiac]

So what's the highly influential art that inspired FGO?
The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife?

(C85) [Himeya (Abe Inori)] Rensen Moyou (Kantai Collection)

[Comun]

So what's the highly influential art that inspired FGO?

Live A Live (SNES, 1994)

[Nanashi(kari)]

the short version is that tolkien's "secondary world" is fundamentally a very different kind of creation to what nasu does. both the internal coherence of the setting "as" a setting, and the way in which that secondary setting externally "connects" or "refers to" the primary i.e. real world outside it, are fundamentally different. the simplest way of putting it is like this: tolkien's world has its own "history", which reflects our own history only analogically, i.e. in terms of a very grand-scale theological narrative. Nasu's "world" - and it is almost incoherent to use this word in this connection - does not have a "history" as such; it has a variety of threads, combined with a series of rules and formal mechanisms for appropriating and transforming our own [primary world] history.

Wow, this must be the first time I agree 100% with one of Dullahan's mouthful posts.

[Mattias]

So what's the highly influential art that inspired FGO?

Scrooge McDuck. Specifically the swimming through money bits.

[mAc Chaos]

the short version is that tolkien's "secondary world" is fundamentally a very different kind of creation to what nasu does. both the internal coherence of the setting "as" a setting, and the way in which that secondary setting externally "connects" or "refers to" the primary i.e. real world outside it, are fundamentally different. the simplest way of putting it is like this: tolkien's world has its own "history", which reflects our own history only analogically, i.e. in terms of a very grand-scale theological narrative. Nasu's "world" - and it is almost incoherent to use this word in this connection - does not have a "history" as such; it has a variety of threads, combined with a series of rules and formal mechanisms for appropriating and transforming our own [primary world] history.

I was about to contest calling it Tolkien too but you beat me to it.

But Rowling? She's like a shadow of her former self from when she was at her peak.

[Byegod]

I suppose I would argue that the difference is i can feel like tolkein put a lot of work in building this entire world while rowlings worldbuilding feels like a bunch of facts floating in a void so to speak

[Hermitfold]

If you're going to compare Type Moon to any Western fantasy universe, I think Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere is the closest thing.

[aldeayeah]

Maybe setting wise but not writing wise.

[SpoonyViking]

Nasu and Tolkien may or may not have things in common, but I'd personally say their similarities are so general as to be meaningless as points of comparison.
I struggle to see *any* similarity between Rowling and Nasu, though, other than the vaguest ones - "they both have magical societies hidden among modern society", for example -, which are even more meaningless for comparison.

[Deathhappens]

In summary: world building authors are bleedingly similar and the only ones who care about the difference are forum dwelling turbo nerds.

Tolkien redefined (or outright created) the fantasy genre as we know it. Nasu repackaged it.

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