Originally Posted by
Dartz
Was it ever somewhere stated access to the root involves multiple pathways? In MBAA Ryougi is suggested to be some sort of manifestation of humanity or at least acting in behalf of it and Archetype considers her a peer of some sorts, same for Ryougi who explicitly says she isn't there acting as a counter guardian, but rather in order to kill someone of the "same kind" as her, which we later see wasn't Tohno. In what way is AE and Ryougi even remotely similar? They seem literal opposites. But I think it makes sense if we consider other points.
Maybe even the idea of God is fundamentally a human construct/concept, so even if Void's abilities includes the idea/capabilities of God, it's still part of the human collective consciousness. And that doesn't give her the perspective of a different lifeform like a planet. Hence her being below Arc in power comparisons.
The idea that there are still things that are beyond human understanding seems to be hammered down lately, and that includes the nature and abilities of celestial bodies.
Also, I'm still of the belief Archetype is greater than Type as a concept. Does anyone else think this is looking more likely than ever now?
Every instance we've seen of Archetype being used it clearly refers to a very primordial existence, maybe THE most primordial, hence Original One. For ORT the furigana used is different since it's Ultimate One (extreme single-species), while for Archetype is Ultimate One (Original One). The thing is I don't think there's ever been anything suggesting Types are anything other than the strongest existence on their planet (the strongest of the strongest species) that has taken on the will of that planet as opposed to being literally the planet's soul itself like Archetype is.
The energy readings of the celestial egg are also so astronomically high and beyond anything else in TM works I have a hard time swallowing the possibility of every other planet being a peer in that regard. The energy that later makes up the light body was stated to be compressed to planck length, that's literally an hyper massive planck star. For reference if the sun collapsed to a planck star it would retain it's mass yet it's size would be as big as an atom. The volume of energy stated to be compressed in that scene was stated to be 200 meters. That's orders of magnitude greater than trillions of solar masses. Far beyond any feat or claim we've seen.
And please don't say Nasu doesn't know what he's talking about, because that's an awful argument and even I can learn this doing a bit of research on the internet.
But it makes sense because the celestial egg scene seems to hint at something relating to the creation of the universe and I was thinking what if the method the TA used to birth Arc was related to the origin awakening concept? This explains the parallels to Ryougi and it explains the concept/title of Archetype. This idea was teased in AE's route, but she denied that Arc had been subjected to it because "they have both been the same since the very beginning", so maybe it is close to the same situation as with Ryougi/Void in that she was born "awakened" from birth.
Sorry about the long post. I wanted to put my thoughts somewhere. Feel free to disagree or share something that might support this.
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