Which TM relationship is the most toxic?

[Prix with a Silent X]

Is it more or less problematic when your adoptive sister is or isn't your guardian when you fuck her to save her life?

Fuck or die is fun in Fiction if there's any underlying attraction between the characters.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

"Hmm I am aware that there are bad things in town and my brother is literally living on 1/3rd of a tank of life-force gas, which he gets from me, perhaps I will set a strict curfew for him to keep him safe"

NOOOOOOOO THAT'S ABUSE NOOOOOO I NEED TO GO OUT AFTER DARK AND STAB VAMPIRES MOMMY PLEASE

Why not mention that first part to brother dearest?

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So if she was an older sister, his guardian and 18, you'd think her actions are fine? And it's purely abusive because she is young?

Or do you thinks parents defacto setting a curfew and taking away a kid's phone is abuse?

It's one or the other.

I've been clear, but I do think blanket curfews without any explanation are abusive. That, and Akiha's a bitch about it.

[Nihilm]

Why not mention that first part to brother dearest?

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I've been clear, but I do think blanket curfews without any explanation are abusive. That, and Akiha's a bitch about it.

How do you know she is a bitch about it if you haven't even read it.
You have a very loose and shallow definition of abuse.

Also for why not tell him about what is going outside, since she does know his backstory, she is afraid telling him will only guarantee that he will for sure go out vampire hunting.

[Prix with a Silent X]

I feel like there's a trope in Japanese media about women who are seemingly very controlling and bossy and "because I said so" that turns out to be all onion-layered. Maybe not just Japanese media but I think it has a flavor.

[Alfredo845]

"Do this because I say so" is what all parents do around the world, my parents continue to do that with me, does that mean that they are abusing me? And age should not be a factor because it is obvious that Akiha is older mature than most adults or at least more mature than Shiki

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Plus it's not like I'm forcing him to do anything, after all even when he breaks those rules it's not like she's doing little more than getting angry.

[Comun]

Moving the goalposts back to where they initially were, is everyone here really agreed about the power imbalance in Shiki and Akiha’s relationship?

[Nihilm]

I do not think there is much a power imbalance tbh, Akiha has no actual power to stop Shiki from disobeying her. When that was first made as a point I had thought Shiki was the one that had power over her, but don't really agree with that either.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

"Do this because I say so" is what all parents do around the world, my parents continue to do that with me, does that mean that they are abusing me? And age should not be a factor because it is obvious that Akiha is older mature than most adults or at least more mature than Shiki

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Plus it's not like I'm forcing him to do anything, after all even when he breaks those rules it's not like she's doing little more than getting angry.

My parents never really did that to me, and I'm grateful for it. And yes, I do consider it at least mildly abusive, along with shit like spanking and being purposely emotionally undemonstrative to your kids.

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Moving the goalposts back to where they initially were, is everyone here really agreed about the power imbalance in Shiki and Akiha’s relationship?

Yes.

[Alfredo845]

Certainly she has much more power in the relationship, that being said that also applies to Shiki and Arc's relationship and I don't see anyone complaining

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I do not think there is much a power imbalance tbh, Akiha has no actual power to stop Shiki from disobeying her. When that was first made as a point I had thought Shiki was the one that had power over her, but don't really agree with that either.

He is basically her shikigami, right? Doesn't that lead to some power imbalance?

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Certainly she has much more power in the relationship, that being said that also applies to Shiki and Arc's relationship and I don't see anyone complaining

Arc doesn't really try to exert her authority over Shiki, and their relationship feels more equal.

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Also, she's just at stronger than Shiki, she doesn't hold actual power over h, at least not at first.

[Nihilm]

He is basically her shikigami, right? Doesn't that lead to some power imbalance?

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Arc doesn't really try to exert her authority over Shiki, and their relationship feels more equal.

Not really, she doesn't have any magical control over him. I guess there is a real world power imbalance, since she controls the money and gives him a place to live, but that isn't really something she ever truly leverages. Power imbalance usually only is brought up as an issue if the relationship relies on one side levering that power. So IE Akiha uses the fact she has money and owns the place to force Shiki to sleep with her or else she will make him homeless.

Power imbalance in this case literally just seems like a moot point whatever imbalance there is.

[Alfredo845]

Arc also has his eyes of charm and if he wanted he could make Shiki her familiar and he could not resist

[Nihilm]

I don't think there is power imbalance abuse in any of the tsuki relationships, but if we talk about potential for it, it is by far the biggest with Arc, since she is literally magnitudes more powerful.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I still think Akiha's has the most power imbalance, since she has magical and financial leverage over him that the others don't immediately have. Individually, both Arc and Ciel are stronger than him, but Akiha has the systemic power over him.

[Tangerang]

If you're talking about power imbalances, than that would make Shirou/Saber (and more to a point, all Servant/Master relations (including Arc/Len)) far more toxic, as the power imbalance is far greater. After all, the "Master" literally holds the "Servant's" life in their hands (And more to the point, the very fact that the relationship is called 'Master' and 'Servant' should tell you everything you need to know about it). The Master gives many orders and makes many decisions that the Servant disagrees with, but is still forced to put up with simply due to the fact that the power is concentrated in the Master's hands, despite the Servant's 'superiority'. And even going further, the Master possesses three command spells, which can essentially force the Servant to carry out any order regardless of their own will or feelings in the matter. And nothing can be done about it, considering this power balance is literally intended and build into the system. A deliberate, systemic power imbalance.

[Five_X]

A Tang post???

[Alfredo845]

For me Shiki's relationships where there is more possibility of abuse of power are in order:

Shiki / Arc

Shiki / Akiha

Shiki / Kohaku

Shiki / Hisui

Shiki / Ciel

[Ratman]

Shiki-Len is the most toxic, poisoning the well of the franchise's future.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

If you're talking about power imbalances, than that would make Shirou/Saber (and more to a point, all Servant/Master relations (including Arc/Len)) far more toxic, as the power imbalance is far greater. After all, the "Master" literally holds the "Servant's" life in their hands (And more to the point, the very fact that the relationship is called 'Master' and 'Servant' should tell you everything you need to know about it). The Master gives many orders and makes many decisions that the Servant disagrees with, but is still forced to put up with simply due to the fact that the power is concentrated in the Master's hands, despite the Servant's 'superiority'. And even going further, the Master possesses three command spells, which can essentially force the Servant to carry out any order regardless of their own will or feelings in the matter. And nothing can be done about it, considering this power balance is literally intended and build into the system. A deliberate, systemic power imbalance.

You're kinda preaching to the choir here, since I don't really ship any Master-Servant pairs.

[Alfredo845]

What is this heresy?