Which TM relationship is the most toxic?

[Byegod]

To crack a joke

My relationship with nasu works

[Kirishima]

I would make a joke about how the most toxic relationship is Sakurai and writing, but that would be too obvious.

I feel like Caren and Angra is so perfectly toxic it rounds back to being healthy.

[Prix with a Silent X]

Diarmuid x Gilgamesh x Saber as a vote for "might be fucked up but could be emotionally satisfying and also hot"

[OnesFleetingGlory]

I feel like Caren and Angra is so perfectly toxic it rounds back to being healthy.

Nothing beats where your presence alone hurts your partner's psyche. And also the only way he knows how to express his affection, and how she perceive things in general, they play off each other nicely it's strangely endearing.

I kinda hoped for some sort of a follow-up between them, and FGO let me down.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Damn you, Tiger Colosseum.

[Petrikow]

There is no need for a follow-up.

Their relationship is perfectly contained within Hollow.

If there is an element of Caren's character that needs "following up" then its about how she'd interact with her father.

[Dullahan]

'toxic' is a meaningless buzzword, but the correct answer is 両儀式x両儀織 (not listed) anyway

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

There is no need for a follow-up.

Their relationship is perfectly contained within Hollow.

If there is an element of Caren's character that needs "following up" then its about how she'd interact with her father.

It still would have been nice after 15 years to get a little fanservice in that regard.

[Dullahan]

n.b.: I know this is meant to be used for covertly insulting other people's favourite pairings, but I don't care about other people. Mine are the only ships of consequence.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

It still would have been nice after 15 years to get a little fanservice in that regard.

Agreed. Even Amakusa and Semi got their own moment in another Valentine Event.

[mAc Chaos]

There is no need for a follow-up.

Their relationship is perfectly contained within Hollow.

If there is an element of Caren's character that needs "following up" then its about how she'd interact with her father.

Yeah, I always wanted to see how they'd react to each other and what they'd think of each other.

[Araya's Dry Cleaner]

Yeah, I always wanted to see how they'd react to each other and what they'd think of each other.

Kireri would probably think Caren is as useless as her mom.

[Tepanyakigo]

Yeah, that should have been an option. I think it's up there with Shiki x Tokie.

Also, if we're truly scraping the bottom of the barrel, I think we should add Diarmuid x Sola Ui and also Kayneth x Sola Ui.

Well, we also have Sion x TATARI, Cu x Medb (debatable), Jeanne (Alter) x Gilles de Rais...
and as much as I like the dynamics... Ryuunosuke x Gilles de Rais duo is just... well... "positively" toxic

I cannot dispute that, especially considering how Grainne forced him to sleep with her.

But he did enjoy that, didn't he?

Kireri would probably think Caren is as useless as her mom.

Ah... Kirei x Claudia... classic "I'll die to show you are wrong" except "No, YOU ARE WRONG" couple... what about Kirei x Shirou? Heck, Kirei x Kiritsugu is probably "toxic" as well

[Kirishima]

Kirei and life is toxic

[Ideofago]

I skipped the last two pages just to say this to Gau-

If you're gonna be such a moral crusader, at least do it with a topic you know. You're making my hate for Akiha look as sloppily justfied as yours.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Yours is pretty sloppily justified, and I changed my mind when presented with new info.

[Deathhappens]

[Refuses to elaborate]

You know what comes next.

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Hi Five. It's been a while.

Anyway I was a bit curious about what the context was, so I went and reread the first bit of tsukihime (original)

Day 1: Shiki hears barking at night, goes wandering around at midnight, runs into Nrvnqsr under a streetlight, walks home, talks to Akiha and Kohaku in the morning. 'Wow those dogs sure are noisy huh' '...What dogs?'

Day 2: Shiki has his Arc attack 17 dissection, but nobody knows about that. On the other hand, Shiki never returns home, so they go out looking for him, and find him completely collapsed in a park, with his clothes in a complete mess. They helped him home while he was out of it. Later Akiha scolds him, telling him he should take care of himself, and if he ever feels like he's having an amenia attack (his excuse for what happened), to call and they'll send someone to pick him up right away, rather than just pass out on the side of the road.

Day 3: Shiki doesn't even come home.

Day 4: Shiki also doesn't come home.

Day 4.5: Shiki shows up on the doorstep of the mansion, passed out and covered in scars and cuts. They patch him up and ask him what the fuck he was doing. After a bit of conversation, Akiha stops probing, but asks in exchange for him to essentially stop doing dangerous things. Also she mentions that there's been a recent serial killer, so it's extra dangerous.

Day 5: Normal day, Shiki comes home.

Day 6: Shiki doesn't come home, then comes home way late, and proceeds to literally break into the house because the gates are locked. Gets caught by the security system. Akiha is sick and tired of it and lays down a curfew in the morning. Shiki goes 'understandable, but I'm going to totally break it tonight as well. I'll probably keep on breaking it to be honest. I've got secret stuff to do but trust me it's nothing bad.' Akiha gets angry and storms off.

And anyway, that's the context for how the curfew shows up in the original tsukihime. To be fair though, I don't know how the remake changes things around, I haven't read it yet.

I admit my Tsukihime romp has been on indefinite hiatus for years so my memory's not all that, but where on this chart does the 'rape by proxy deliberately framed as punishment' fall? Because it should probably be somewhere in there.

[warellis]

You know what comes next.

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I admit my Tsukihime romp has been on indefinite hiatus for years so my memory's not all that, but where on this chart does the 'rape by proxy deliberately framed as punishment' fall? Because it should probably be somewhere in there.

When the hell does that happen in Akiha's route?

[forumghost]

Honestly I feel like the real toxic Akiha Pairing is AkihaXKohaku

"I'm plotting to have you driven insane and murdered by the person you love the most"
"I'm okay with that because my dad raped you"

[Deathhappens]

When the hell does that happen in Akiha's route?

I think it's either common Near Side route or Ciel route, but it definitely happens regardless.