Never said they were. They were brutal and imperialistic, but so was basically every developed nation in that era.
And Persia was one of the first nations in that part of the world to outlaw slavery, which actually gives them a better claim to being champions of freedom than the slave-holding Greeks.
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Huh. I had to google the name to even figure out who you were talking about, (first result is a Fire Emblem character, amusingly enough) and when I did I still had no recollection of that person or what they supposedly did. I must've been repressing Inheritance harder than I thought.
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But... literally everything you've pointed out is historically accurate. Unless you're actually insinuating that it's "fascism" for white-skinned people to defend themselves from dark-skinned people when the latter are invading the former.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Oh, yeah, "300" is a perfectly historical work, what with their lily-white Greeks, the ninja-like immortals, the political catchphrases of modern-day governments, and Spartans defending democracy. Just for starters.
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I mean, seriously, Deathhappens? I know you know what "subtext" is.
schniff,
But what about the apparent absurdity of the idea of dignity, freedom and Reason, sustained by extreme military discipline, including of the practice of discarding the weak children? This "absurdity" is simply the price of freedom - freedom is not free, as they put it in the film. Freedom is not something given, it is regained through a hard struggle in which one should be ready to risk everything. The Spartan ruthless military discipline is not simply the external opposite of the Athenian "liberal democracy," it is its inherent condition, it lays the foundation for it: the free subject of Reason can only emerge through a ruthless self-discipline. True freedom is not a freedom of choice made from a safe distance, like choosing between a strawberry cake or a chocolate cake; true freedom overlaps with necessity, one makes a truly free choice when one's choice puts at stake one's very existence - one does it because one simply "cannot do it otherwise." When one's country is under a foreign occupation and one is called by a resistance leader to join the fight against the occupiers, the reason given is not "you are free to choose," but: "Can't you see that this is the only thing you can do if you want to retain your dignity?" No wonder that all early modern egalitarian radicals, from Rousseau to Jacobins, admired Sparta and imagined the republican France as a new Sparta: there is an emancipatory core in the Spartan spirit of military discipline which survives even when we subtract all historical paraphernalia of Spartan class rule, ruthless exploitation of and terror over their slaves, etc.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
"Spartan class rule" and "ruthless exploitation of and terror over their slaves" seem like very big things to just "subtract". "Freedom is not free" might as well be reframed as "freedom is not free, but WE'RE not the ones who pay that price".
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
300 is by no means a historical film, obviously, but none of the things you were complaining about were actually historical inaccuracies. Complain about the naked-abs Spartans, the cavalcade of monsters in the Persian side, the beardless Persia's Top Model Xerxes, right behind you on all these things. But skin colour (which seems accurate enough to me, but what do I know) and a single pithy catchphrase you could probably trace back to a superhero comic are what you go on to label the entire thing "pro-fascist imperialistic piece of shit" ? That's kind of a reach.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
And "Alexander Nevsky" OBVIOUSLY had nothing to do with Soviet Russia fighting against Nazi Germany, no sirree.
Read Kingkiller Chronicle
its a weird sort of high-fantasy book, mostly because its not told with the plot of the central, its told like a diary
there isnt necessarily a connection between one events and another, things mostly just happened and it is told to us, which is actually realistic
normally i would think that this sort of story would just felt like a fanfiction with overpowered characters, but the story actually slowly tells of the actual improvement of the main character in a slowburn and realistic manner
i like it. keeps me awake at night.
I read the first one and liked the prose, but the plot advanced at much too slow a pace for my tastes.
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I remember feeling Kvothe was a bit too much a Nice Guy to... Damn, I forget her name. Then again, maybe that was intentional.
yeah, i agree that some people would find the pace the plot moves to be too slow
i guess thats exactly what the author aims
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the plot's barely there, tbh
im engaged mostly by just the daily things happening around Kvothe
the book actually makes them interesting. granted whats happening to him altogether isnt exactly common tho
I like the part where Kvothe and Denna went on an adventure, stumbling upon mmmm heroin and dragon. Auri's a fun character too. The university section of the story kinda bores me since things barely happened, accompanied with your typical snotty bully and antagonizing superior(s? forgot).
Still really feels eh for Kvothe since he feels like that -insert name- MC that can pretty much do a lot of things.
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