Could Noel have a route? (Possible Remake Spoilers)

[TheSeaDragon]

The problem with that is that there's no actual atonement in Ciel's Route. Ciel is after all, a Sakura (or really a Sakura + Shirou) and her sin can be said to be at most the fact that she ended up enjoying a bit of the Roa ride when it inevitably did happen (after plenty of resistance on her part)

Nasu really needs to stop using the "they had no control/real choice/agency" as a way to have a "evil" or bad heroine that can be easily redeemed or walk back really. Tamamo was a step forward but that just makes every other time a step back... Or you know, if it was more explicit about it being Church Shirou with Ciel that'd work better too.

As far as what I think for Noel and a route I'll repeat what I said in Unpopular. I think she's great. I don't think she should have a route in Tsukihime. Idon't think she needs to be tied to, or really needs to be part of Tsuki-Re either. Should've been a main character, or a main supporting character in a original church work or spin off. We could call it When the Seagulls Cry Obviously.

As is she's too welded onto Ciel as Nasu's attempts to try and hype up Ciel and shill attributes of Ciel imo. Inelegant and both deserve better.

Actually, Noel is makin me realize certain flaws in how nasu wirtes his tragic heroines, but i will always have a soft spot for Sakura , but now i will be able to say i like her despite these flaws

Im actually not bothered about these other tragic heroines , im more bothered about how Noel really have potential onher own but as is, she is a promp to show us how cool Ciel is, or that her vamp form likely will be more marketed

PD : yes winning so far, lol, im pleasantly suprised.

[Alfredo845]

I pray a little that she will have a role away from Ciel on the Sachin route instead of just being scrapped.

[AmADo VII]

Noel was about to take L from Sacchin in Lumina already.

[warellis]

Actually, Noel is making me realize certain flaws in how Nasu writes his tragic heroines, but i will always have a soft spot for Sakura , but now i will be able to say i like her despite these flaws

I'm actually not bothered about these other tragic heroines , I'm more bothered about how Noel really have potential on her own but as is, she is a prop to show us how cool Ciel is, or that her vamp form likely will be more marketed

PD : yes winning so far, lol, I'm pleasantly surprised.

That they often fixate on a man in some manner?

[Lady Vanatos]

Personally, I advocate for a Noel route. I love to live dangerously, both due to the legality of it and her irreparable issues. I will ignore all implications of what this possibly says about me as a person.

[LegalLoliLover]

If you ignore it, they will become your Shadow. Instead, acknowledge but also fully embrace it. You'll get a Persona... Or whatever Kirei and Reinhard got.

[Nanaya]

Yeah I think she'd make an interesting story. On one hand I think she'd shift Shiki a little more towards chaotic and we'd have more Nanaya scenes. On the other hand she's a very interesting character and in this sort of story, it would be nice to see the character everyone thinks is beyond saving actually change for the better. She's got a lot of potential under the right triggers.

[mami-kouga]

That they often fixate on a man in some manner?

At least no rape is involved this time

[TheSeaDragon]

Yeah I think she'd make an interesting story. On one hand I think she'd shift Shiki a little more towards chaotic and we'd have more Nanaya scenes. On the other hand she's a very interesting character and in this sort of story, it would be nice to see the character everyone thinks is beyond saving actually change for the better. She's got a lot of potential under the right triggers.

She and nanaya were almost canon for a melty story

One of the reasons i like her is because, from her looks to some other traits, i almost see her as a twisted version of Makoto Kino

[LegalLoliLover]

At least no rape is involved this time

No, just massacre and betrayal.
Totally much lesser crimes. /s

[TheSeaDragon]

I think the reasom some people is more disgusted by rape than killing is, altought usually killing could be considered worse, there isi nstance of justified kill,self defense and stuff , rape is never ever justified. But "murder" as in the unjustified killing, yeah, thats worse than rape, you cant bring back a life

Is Noel muderous? yep, ..was she in a right state of mind when all that happened ? The same way one must separate sakura actions of dark sakura actions, i must separate Noel from DA Noel

[warellis]

I think the reasom some people is more disgusted by rape than killing is, altought usually killing could be considered worse, there isi nstance of justified kill,self defense and stuff , rape is never ever justified. But "murder" as in the unjustified killing, yeah, thats worse than rape, you cant bring back a life

Is Noel muderous? yep, ..was she in a right state of mind when all that happened ? The same way one must separate sakura actions of dark sakura actions, i must separate Noel from DA Noel

That doesn't make Noel herself look better when she happily brutally tortured vampire victims herself after lying to them about having a cure. And these included children.

[LegalLoliLover]

I think the reasom some people is more disgusted by rape than killing is, altought usually killing could be considered worse, there isi nstance of justified kill,self defense and stuff , rape is never ever justified. But "murder" as in the unjustified killing, yeah, thats worse than rape, you cant bring back a life

Is Noel muderous? yep, ..was she in a right state of mind when all that happened ? The same way one must separate sakura actions of dark sakura actions, i must separate Noel from DA Noel

By massacre, I meant what happened to her, not what she did.

[AmADo VII]

I think the reasom some people is more disgusted by rape than killing is, altought usually killing could be considered worse, there isi nstance of justified kill,self defense and stuff , rape is never ever justified. But "murder" as in the unjustified killing, yeah, thats worse than rape, you cant bring back a life

Is Noel muderous? yep, ..was she in a right state of mind when all that happened ? The same way one must separate sakura actions of dark sakura actions, i must separate Noel from DA Noel

you talk about rape and kill but not mentioning Shiki?

he does both by the way. if Noel got her route she would likely to be victim of his.

[TheSeaDragon]

lol, absolutely , i just replied to the person saying.."at least there is no rape" .

Other reason why i wonder if people who is shocked or horrified about Noel even do nasuverse, and specially tsukihime, wich world was always darker than Fate , even takin the matous into consideration

[Crown]

do vampires have human rights

[Ideofago]

No

[Crown]

can vampire victims still be called humans?

[Ideofago]

Does something lose its identity once dead?

[mami-kouga]

No, just massacre and betrayal.
Totally much lesser crimes. /s

I didn't say anything about what is more or lesser. I just said at least no rape is involved this time