Einnashe is now one of the DAAs Ciel killed pre-Tsukihime. Its Idea Blood was Forest or Harvest.
Einnashe is now one of the DAAs Ciel killed pre-Tsukihime. Its Idea Blood was Forest or Harvest.
Oh there is an entry on AE? Can't wait to read it!
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Originally Posted by Comun
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
It's ok, wait for the platinum games 'Tsukihime:Arc en Ciel' action ARPG/Hack n' Slash that covers Ciel's life from when she joins the BA to just before she takes on her mission in Souya. That's where we'll see Chromclay, Einnashe, and Be'Ze.
Copium.
Einnashe maybe still exists in Fate timelines, since one of its offspring people eating forests shows up in Case Files.
It is in LB7, as the one who attacked ORT in Fate timeline and got absorbed into its ecosystem. Trust.
No one cares about the Non-DAA shitter versions.
So like in order to affect the world in some manner, becoming enfleshed needs to be done to really do it, but in the process of becoming enfleshed, it means thay then have some of the limitations of having a body pushed on them?
Nah, in Fate timeline it became infected by alien godly virus of LB7 so it is no less as strong as DAA ver, even stronger as a forest god u see, too bad not enough for ORT, who ate alien godly virus and became Tezcatlipoca first.No one cares about the Non-DAA shitter versions.
Pretty much how Yu Meiren technically has infinite supplies of mana from the world, but she can only output an amount matching that of a servant due to having a humanoid body.
What about Arc in Luminous Body? Wasnt that described to be pure energy and since its fleshless she's shouldnt have been throwing a tantrum over Shiki choosing another pussy
Does Yu-Meiren have Ultimate One has well? Maybe a lesser ranked version? Doesn't seem like she does.
Seems like Chaldea's Saint Graph vessel is not as high in quality as that of the Moon Cell ones. Those didn't result in that big a nerf, according to the mats anyway.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Only Arcueid, and maybe Altrouge, should have Ultimate One.
Paisen isn't an Ultimate One, she's just a normal fairy.
I see, that makes sense.
Speaking of luminous body. Was the luminous body ever stated to be made out of true ether? I saw someone say it was made of true ether, but I only really saw ether.
It would make sense based on everything we know about true ether but was that term ever used in Tsukihime?
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Ciel says its made of Ether in MBTL.
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I suppose the one indication that it might be made of True Ether is that the description used to describe Arcueid both in FGO and in Tsukihime (by Roa) is 天体をなすもの (that which forms the celestial), which is the same description used by Da Vinci when describing True Ether in Babylonia.
I see, that's pretty interesting.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
I've said it before, I bet this is it or something similar and it's some pseudo god or something instead of a DA.
MFW when you only find out about ORT's IB in a profile. Maybe he'll be the super secret boss in the Tsuki 2 open world rpg...
Asking something
The phrasing here confuses me, is this saying everyone has circuits? as otherwise why say everyone can use it as in the past they say not everyone can use magecraft as it is the qualifier needed in of itself. or am i reading too much into this?Anyone can use it with enough training, but the potency depends on the individual’s own qualities (the number and quality of their Magic Circuits).
Even normal people can do magecraft via formalcraft, right?
Thats been heavily debated before ive seen, as well as with atlas stuff before.
Luminary
Class Berserker True Name Archetype:Earth Gender Female Body Origin Tsukihime Region Earth Alignment Lawful Chaotic
Height/Weight About 200 meters when emerging (depending on the CG)) About 100 meters when stabilized (as big or bigger than the tallest building in the city. Adapts to the level of nearby civilization) *Its weight stays the same no matter the state—being the same as the normal Arcueid. Given that it’s just the lifeforce spilling out from Earth given shape, if pressed to give an answer, I’d say its weight is the mass of Earth, or something. So, no matter the action it takes, as long as it’s on the surface of Earth, it’s not heavy, and so consequently, its weight doesn’t cause any damage to the terrain—meaning, when the Luminary walks, it doesn’t cause the ground to sink in or anything like that. However, this does not apply to man-made objects. If normal Arcueid is:
STR B CON B AGI B MGI A LCK B NP EX Then Luminary Arcueid is:
STR E CON EX AGI B MGI A++ LCK EX NP D By taking an energy form, she employs the magical energy she normally doesn’t use as attack power. Because of this, her MGI has gone up, while the STR she no longer has any need for has ranked down.
Personal Skills
Marble Phantasm: D Though Arcueid normally has this skill at A, here it has been ranked down to D.
True Ancestors in a Luminary state can only use their Marble Phantasm in an approximate manner.
Due to having turned into a Luminary, she cannot construct any detailed fantasies.
Event Storage: EX The ability to conceptually and physically store things that have been cultivated on the surface of Earth.
The confiscation of all creations birthed on the surface of the planet—its Textures.
An ability on par with the Divine Spirits’ so-called ‘Authorities’, though given that it’s a function possessed by the planet, it is less of a skill, and more of a system.
The gravitational field that appears under Arcueid’s feet when she has turned into a Luminary has enough of a reach to store all Textures on Earth.
Mana Discharge (Planetary): A The super version of Mana Discharge—the Breath of the Planet.
What animals know as ‘breathing’. She inhales magical energy (mana) from the atmosphere and then exhales it into the outer world as new magical energy after circulating it through her body—a Mana Cleaner.
This is the reason why the Earth gets filled with high-density mana when the Luminary appears, causing humans to die.
The gravitational field that appears under Arc’s feet when she’s turned into a Luminary has enough of a reach to store all Textures on Earth.
Class Skills (Passives)
Luminary: A Rapid expansion (Inflation) of the Spiritron Core.
A phenomenon more simply called a ‘Luminary’.
(‘Inflation’ is originally terminology from astronomy—it’s what the exponential expansion of the universe that occured after the Big Bang is called) A state of excitation possessed by True Ancestors of the highest grade—their royalty. It’s said to occur as a side-effect when the True Ancestor has by some means had its body completely destroyed.
When Arcueid—a small yet heavy being—loses the body which forms her, the compressed magical energy within it is released, which results in her Lifescale expanding (though this is actually just a false impression).boxframe
Though Arcueid’s consciousness is in the center of this light, as she no longer possesses a body to serve as a wall, she takes a state where her surplus magical energy levels remain, while the sort of self-image she imagines for herself is projected and dispersed. The Association calls this a Spiritron Frame (Lightframe). In other words, this is a natural phenomenon created out of nothing but mental power.
If one carelessly destroys a True Ancestor who still has magical energy in surplus, the energy stored within their body manifests—a retribution mechanism—and they become a calamity that destroys human cities.
Arcueid does not cause Inflation when Roa still has part of her power and she's about to die in her weakened state, but with her having killed Roa in Ciel Route, her love toward Shiki causes her to bug out—unable to keep suppressing her vampiric urges, she brings about this phenomenon. Correction: she unintentionally brings about this phenomenon.
Luminary Arcueid is about 200 meters when she’s emerging, and about 100 when she’s stabilized her dispersed consciousness and is in her normal state.
— Mystic Eyes (Hyper Wide-Range)
All intelligent beings who Luminary Arc look at will have their minds paralyzed, either out of fear, or out of worship.
Unless those seen by Luminary Arc have unusually powerful mental strength, both escaping and fighting is infeasible.
— Fantasy Dequantification (Nullification of Normal Attacks)
Because of being in a mental form, only attacks which Arcueid recognizes as ‘oh, this one will suck’ are capable of wounding her.
In addition, being in an energy form means all injuries she receives are instantly restored to normal.
— Geothermal Manipulation & Atmospheric Manipulation
To change the surrounding environment into a harsh one.
The ground going into high-temperatures alone is enough to impede the activity of life, with all that approaches at the mercy of the atmospheric turbulence, as though a leaf in the wind—in short, she’s a personification of natural disasters.
An existence which is earthquakes, typhoons, tsunamis, and the likes, all put together.
Princess Arc from Melty used all these consciously and intentionally, while Luminary Arc can only ever use them unconsciously and reactionarily.
They are only activating automatically as biological functions, and cannot be controlled.
Princess Arc is actually the one who is the superior of the two, given that she can properly use these disasters as weapons, and is able to keep damages to a minimum.
The Luminary is not a form meant for attacking, but for regeneration.
It is nothing more than a necessary procedure for recreating the body of the True Ancestor so they will once again be able to act out their role as one. Therefore, it’s unable to move from the spot where it manifested, no matter what (as there is no need to).
It’s sort of like the cores and surface-level synchrotron radiation quantity of stars.
The convergence of hydrogen and helium through strong gravity leads to planets being pressed together into masses of resources, eventually forming a benign crust after they cool down, while a Luminary is meant to turn into a body after its convergence.
The benefit to having a body goes without saying: the establishment of an ego—a self. Remaining a Luminary means that her consciousness would eventually merge with the Earth itself and then disperse as mere energy.
→ However, in Ciel Route, as Arc couldn’t control her reason/emotions, she also couldn’t cancel her Luminary. The only thing awaiting her at the end of that would be to perish from dispersal.
→ In addition, once she started walking out of jealousy, she gave up on being a chrysalis. Though the Luminary is ultimately a system meant for returning her to normal, once it is employed as an individual lifeform, even Arcueid will start falling apart at the seams, and eventually completely perish.
→ On the other hand… if one was to use the Luminary as a means of birthing a new, stronger individual instead of as a means of returning it to normal, then this would not apply. It would be able to act as a new True Ancestor, while the Arcueid of before would then quite literally disappear.
Lore
— Concerning the suppression of Arcueid's power.
The True Ancestors are the Touch of Earth—something like its immune system.
True Ancestors of the highest grade like Arcueid are one step above that of an immune system—something which would no doubt be appropriate to label as the Alter-Ego of Earth.
(In fact, the True Ancestors were only ever birthed to create a frame on the level of an Alter-Ego of Earth. All True Ancestors outside of Arc were failures. Yet in the True Ancestors’ last days, they succeeded in creating the Brain of the Planet that had been desired in the first place).
However, that such a lifeform would conduct itself in a human body could in itself actually be said to be something abnormal.
If you pack the energy of a celestial object into a tiny human body, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that it would suddenly go out of control.
As long as Arcueid remains active, her output is limited to always be one step above her opponent, but this is not a representation of her sheer power.
This is to protect the body in its function as an output device, and to prevent wasting energy (for the earth).
However, in the case that the limiter of the body is taken away from her, and Arcueid’s mental activity is unabated, the suppression of her power is undone.
The magical energy hidden within her body disperses almost in an explosion, and the limit on her ability to draw energy from the Earth is removed.
This is Inflation—the Inflationary Luminary Phenomenon.
Though normally bound to the planet's interior, being a ‘soul’ (the chances of a celestial object being born in space is practically none. Force of Fate and Spacetime Causality which lets this be established is defined as a soul) meant for prolonged utilization (administration) of its celestial object, once it leaks onto the surface, it causes a system critical error.
That said, True Ancestors almost never enter this state.
The usual True Ancestor’s mind is worn down by having to suppress themselves, so when their body is destroyed, they do not have the mental strength (as it is abated) to recover
Luminaries have manifested in battles with ‘fallen True Ancestors’—those who have succumbed to their own vampiric urges—but in those cases the Luminaries did not emerge on as large a scale as Arcueid did.
“If thou wisheth to exterminate a True Ancestor, thou shalt first wear down its mind”
This is a teaching passed down among the Church. Just as this precept suggests, Executors do not assassinate True Ancestors from the shadows, but instead defeat them in prolonged all-out wars from head-on—or alternatively—push them into self-termination from a lack of magical energy (because if you kill them via a sneak attack, there’s a high chance they’ll turn into a Luminary).
— Concerning the actions of Luminary Arc
Her gigantic size alone makes her powerful, but her actions are not all that showy.
The same goes for when she caught Ciel:
- She slowly reaches out for the astonished Ciel.
Ciel, feeling she is in a pinch, tries to move back, but her body is heavy.- Though Ciel would normally be capable of easily dodging Arc’s hand, she only barely manages.
She pushes her body to try to keep going and create some distance, but it doesn’t obey.- Ciel then notices that just being inside of Arc’s zone of influence causes a litany of debuffs such as…
The thinning of the air, the heating of the ground, and what’s more, gravity being kind of weird.- However, even having noticed this, it’s far too late.
Arc enjoys watching Ciel pathetically squirm as she tries to escape.
At this point, Ciel is practically done for—sewn into space from being looked at by Arc.- Ciel can do nothing but watch with despair on her face as Arcueid slowly lowers her hand onto her.
Once caught, the spectacle of her dismemberment inside of Arc’s hand begins.
— The dangers brought on by the three zones of influence
Arc has three layers of consciousness in her Luminary model.
3: AMAZING—Extended Consciousness that goes beyond the Surface Consciousness into the outer world.
(AMAZING—with the meaning of ‘awe’—the fascination of the unknown born from amazement and wonder)
It starts from 300 meters outside the Luminary and extends for several kilometers.
Air turbulence originating from the inside of the Surface Consciousness (2) is let loose (spills out) onto the Extended Consciousness, almost like sharp blades.
The turmoil of the harsh winds, magnetic fields and more, mean that the closer one gets to Arcueid, the more dangerous it becomes. It is impossible for a human to enter the zone of influence of her Surface Consciousness (2) unless they’re in a tank.
Though this is already a dangerous state, physically speaking, the more one distances oneself from the Luminary, the less the danger becomes.
Luminary Arc is completely unaware of the lifeforms inside this Extended Consciousness.
Humans who challenge it are like Don Quixote, voluntarily challenging a dragon—voluntarily going off to die.
Here, the Luminary can be seen as a dome of light—or alternatively, as some kind of symbol.
2: AUDIENCE—Surface Consciousness that extends radially for 300 meters diagonally with the Luminary at its center.
(AUDIENCE—not with the meaning of ‘spectators’ or ‘onlookers’, but that of ‘being granted audience’)
Within the 300 meters of the Surface Consciousness, afforestation proceeds far more dramatically.
The Luminary goes from looking like ‘some light thing’ to a human-shaped titan.
The vegetation that covers the ground’s surface are the same primordial plants as known to mankind, but their size and resilience make them almost completely different—basically, they’re huge, almost 10 to 20 times larger than usual.
These clearly display just how tough the vegetation of the Earth was in the past.
No matter how weak and adapted to the current environment of life that nature of modernity may be, it doesn’t change how frightening this primeval (paleozoic) vegetation once was (before the Mesozoic and the Jurassic periods when the dinosaurs lived, there weren’t any plants that could bear flowers, so be careful to not add that).
It gives off the intimidating impression that primeval nature was far more powerful than human civilization is.
Within this zone of influence, the ground is covered in primeval vegetation, making travel by foot almost entirely impossible (though this does not apply to people who are superhuman).
The difference in atmospheric pressure between the ground and the sky (temperature gradients caused by the oxygen consumption of the gigantic vegetation) perturbs the airflow, creating a corridor of harsh wind from the intersection of up- and downdrafts.
Obstructed by the plants, it becomes impossible to move on land, while the air turbulence in the sky makes it impossible to fly particularly well.
And yet, under these kinds of conditions, the automatic counter-attacks performed by the standard rampaging Arc are carried out as well.
This is because once an enemy has entered the Surface Consciousness, they are obviously recognized as such—as an enemy.
If they then by some stroke of bad luck enter Arc’s view, they will be restrained by her Mystic Eyes, at which point they’re doomed.
The automatic counter-attacks become like invisible claws, either cutting the enemy into pieces, or blowing them up into the air like a leaf, toying with them until they die.
Thinking that it's impossible to survive in the sky, one stops on the ground, only to find there is no oxygen left (the gigantic vegetation is sucking all of it up).
As should be evident from all this, the Surface Consciousness is not an environment in which the current mankind could exist.
Luminary Arc takes not a single action, settling the matter simply by recognizing those who enter as her enemy—almost as if they were fruit flies, flying toward their own death.
1: SKINRAIL—Deep Unconsciousness that exists close (within 30 meters) to herself
(SKIN—with the meaning of the skin also being a railing, even if it’s close enough of a distance to touch with others)
In this zone of influence, the visual impairments coming from the turbulent airflow, the distortions of the Luminary’s energy, and so on, disappear, and the Luminary can be seen for real.
Unlike the revolving airflow hell that was the Surface Consciousness, here the atmosphere is stable, with the environment suited for life.
Once something enters this zone of influence, Luminary Arc will—though hesitantly—counter-attack.
Just by pointing her gaze towards them, she can invoke heat waves and gales that blow them away with an impact that’s almost like a hammer.
Luminary Arc herself almost never does things like punch or stomp though.
If they then stop moving after running out of energy, she’ll probably leave them be…
But if they happen to be an enemy she has an interest in, she’ll probably use her Atmospheric Manipulation to bring them up (into the air) before her eyes.
She went to the effort of stretching out her arms so ostentatiously in trying to terrify Ciel because—yes—Ciel was special.
As for Shiki, she stubbornly refused to ever touch him on her own, due to him having touched her—this pretend indifference is thought to have been a snide way for her to get back at him.
And now for some FAQs about the Luminary.
— Can you touch it?
Once it enters a stable state, the Luminary materializes—so yes, it has hit detection.
It feels both like hard stone and flowing water to the touch.
Also, Arc can will parts of it to rarefy, and when she does that, she can pass those through buildings and what-not.
— Since it's light, does that mean it’s hot?
It’s a bit hot, but not enough to get burned.
— How much reason is left in Luminary Arc?
Enough. She doesn’t feel like saying very much, but that doesn’t mean her reason is lost. It’s more that her True Ancestor supernaturality has gotten stronger.
She does talk, but not with her voice, instead sending orders directly to the other party’s brain (telepathy), meaning that her lips don’t move when she speaks.
— What does she look like to humans?
Depends on the situation and how far away they are.
First, when she’s emerging: it’s totally fine if she’s super scary here. I think something to the effect of the demonic terror found in the storyboard is fine.
Then, when she’s stabilized—around the time when she’s caught Ciel and is playing around with her:
When someone is distantly removed from the Luminary—300 meters or more outside her zone of influence—she only looks like light, while if they’re within the 300 meters of her zone of influence, she has a human shape. I think it'd be fine if one could see that there are eye-shaped holes (kind of like cavities) where her mouth, eyes, etc, are supposed to be.
When even closer to the Luminary—30 meters within Arc’s zone of influence—then the light being emitted looks more subdued, with her eyes and mouth (lips) shining with the brilliance of life. In fact, make her look even more beautiful than normal Arcueid.
This is like a cognitive alteration effect that the Luminary has against intelligent beings.
Those who look on from afar will get the impression of something terrifyingly unknowable.
While those who have arrived close will get the impression of something beautifully unknowable.
Those who are far away are enemies who are to be killed without being shown the truth.
While those who are close by are allies who are to be given a glimpse of the truth—a truly spiritually divine (religiously speaking) mechanism.Translator's notes
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