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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    The blurb in this very profile is the first explanation we ever got for the breath of the planet. Before it was just effect words Saber, Enkidu, and Arc used in their NP/Arc Drive chants.
    I mean, plus period basically describes what it is
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    魔術を発動させる為の要素。原初の生命力とも、命そのものとも言われる。
    世界、自然に満ちた星の息吹たる大魔力(マナ)と、生命(人間)が持つ小魔力(オド)とに分類 される。
    両者の質にそう差はない。単純に、マナの量がオドのそれより絶対的に多いという事だけだ。
    マナは大気に満ちる『その空間』が持つ魔力なので、魔術師でもあるのなら自由に行使することができる。…… もっとも、その行使量は魔術師のキャパシティ、魔術回路の数に見合ったものだが。

    Unless you mean as a skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Do you think this is foreshadowing something
    I think it might be.
    Just don't fucking worry about it, ey?
    This is the result of a brain on Fate. Wait for DAA class skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirishima View Post
    Feels like she is the NP itself, like Kingprotea
    Rampaging giantess not having NPs/is the NP (Altera, Tiamat, Arc) = Nasu's favorite it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    - Remember that these texts were made as internal documents for the development of the games, hence why there are references to 'do this, do that' or 'I think this, I think that' sometimes. A good example is the part about the zones of influence, where Nasu occasionally seems to be noting down instructions on how to visualize the Luminary.
    Fate has infected Typemoon so bad even the other employees only understand stuff in the form of FGO stat sheets

    i like the fact that Luminary can only be hurt by attacks that "that looks like it would hurt" soo rather than BEEAAMU`s you`re more likely to get a response by climbing her hand and stabbing her under "her fingernails"

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    Quote Originally Posted by madarra View Post
    i like the fact that Luminary can only be hurt by attacks that "that looks like it would hurt" soo rather than BEEAAMU`s you`re more likely to get a response by climbing her hand and stabbing her under "her fingernails"
    It sounds like Kagetora's skill, where as long as she believes your projectiles cannot hit her they will never hit her, even bend their trajectory to avoid her.

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    Spoiler:
    It's part of why Shiki's attack with the star dispersed her frame.

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    Damn it. Who put Fate stats here?

    Anyways. Luminary was said to be only possessed by TA royalty in one sentence. Then say normal TAs also enter Luminary state in another. Isnt this contradictory?

    Regarding the breath of the planet stuff. Its describes as cleaning Ether into something deadly to humans. Does that mean she turns Ether to True Ether?

    Also didnt expect Arc to have a grim ending if she hadn't been stopped.

    Also i wonder how one creates a new TA from the dispersal of the Luminary. Do they like respawn like a phoenix or have to be made by other beings?
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    well, the church knows warnings Luminary state even if Ciel herself doesnt understand it enough not to trigger it. so it must`ve happened in the past so there might`ve been a few royals walking around in the past...

    pre Remake royalty meant summoning the Millenium Castle, has that been stated in the remake to still be the case?

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    The Luminary should only belong to Royals. The game states the church has fought royalty before. Obviously how they can leave records of it. There wasn't anything like in OG about taking the title of Brunestud relating to royalty or being able to manifest the castle. The fact that royalty has existed implies it's no longer the same standard. My bet is you have commoners, royalty(can trigger the luminary) then special snowflakes like Arc(Alt) who are royalty suited for the title of princess and being the brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    It sounds like Kagetora's skill, where as long as she believes your projectiles cannot hit her they will never hit her, even bend their trajectory to avoid her.
    It's more like the frame reacts to her thoughts, and whether she remembers something that previously hit her was painful. So she needs to be hit by something she can understand. Dealing damage was stated to be impossible IIRC. Which makes sense when you consider the initial energy density.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Wasnt something mentioned in Melty?

    Brunestud [Term]
    Despite being Arcueid's last name, strictly speaking it is actually more like a title. It is possessed by all of the members of True Ancestor royalty.
    The Millennium Castle Brunestud where Arcueid had sealed herself away is not her original creation, but was actually created in the past by the most powerful True Ancestor, using marble phantasm. That original lord of Castle Brunestud died long ago, but ever since those True Ancestors capable of forming the castle have been uplifted as royalty

    Crimson Moon [Term]
    Another name for the organism that was used as the template for the True Ancestors. Also known as the Crimson Moon Brunestud.
    After he vanished, individuals close to him in power started being honored with the title of Brunestud.
    However, in the long history of the True Ancestors, only two have ever received the name.

    Or that has been retconned?
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    Seems like the definition of royalty is different from the Brunestud title now, but who knows.

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    Even ignoring the old definition im also confused by this part

    >In fact, the True Ancestors were only ever birthed to create a frame on the level of an Alter-Ego of Earth. All True Ancestors outside of Arc were failures.

    So if

    TA royalty=highest grade TAs and are alter egos of the planet

    Yet everyone outside of Arc are failures so how did they even count as royalties in the first place?

    The only assumption i can make is maybe failed royalties are something like lords and only Arc is the only true royalty? So confusing

    Maybe we'll get more clarification when Altrouge makes her appearance
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    The way I see it any TA can potentially result in this phenomenon. But it's likely to be small and since they don't have the mental strength to reconstruct their body afterwards they just end up returning to the planet. Or in the case of fallen TA they end up causing mayhem for a bit. The royalty bit is likely an spectrum, same with how large the luminaries could get.
    The text here says Arc is special in the sense she works as the planet's brain, which means she can hold the energy of the planet inside her. I'm pretty sure that's the main difference between her and other TA, the fact she can house the planet's soul inside her, which is that massive ball of ultra-compactified energy.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    A failure is a failure in regards to not being pure enough to become brain of the planet/CM's vessel, not in whether they are considered royalty. As for that,

    THEN: You are TA royalty if you a) are close to CM in power, and b) can manifest the castle -> b1) are called "Brunestud" -> b2) are Arcueid or Not!Altrouge
    NOW: You are TA royalty if you α) are a TA "of the highest grade", and β) can inflate.

    As long as a=α, waiving b is no issue.

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    Couple notes:

    She inhales magical energy (mana) from the atmosphere and then exhales it into the outer world as new magical energy after circulating it through her body—a Mana Cleaner.

    This is the reason why the Earth gets filled with high-density mana when the Luminary appears, causing humans to die.
    Fake Ether → INFLATED ARC → True Ether

    → On the other hand… if one was to use the Luminary as a means of birthing a new, stronger individual instead of as a means of returning it to normal, then this would not apply. It would be able to act as a new True Ancestor, while the Arcueid of before would then quite literally disappear.
    Might be the technique CM bequeathed that allowed TA to make more TA. Tribute one, roll for a stronger one, keep failing until you get Arc.

    INFLATED ARC Pure-white human-shaped celestial giant Designed around physics babble Destroys cities (at least) Has a core (target) Killed by conceptual knife bullshit
    TYPE-JUPITER Pure-black human-shaped celestial giant Designed around physics babble Destroys continents Has a core (target?) Killed by conceptual sword bullshit

    This man will never be taken to court on charges of creativity.

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    Nasu keeps true to his environmentalist themes by never failing to recycle.

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    Now we have the white woman and the black man(?)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Is Ether poisoning a thing when in concentrated quantities? Or is just True Ether that's harmful?

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    Was Type Jupiter humanoid? I thought it was more like an arthropod
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    He's described as a black Giant and Giants are humanoid by definition.

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