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Thread: [FGO JP Event] Landslide Tea Ceremony Battle: Gudaguda Neo Yamataikoku ~ The man returned from hell

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    You know, it's really absurd that GudaGuda Servants are basically "non-canon" because Keikenichi handles Japanese history and mythology better than any other TM writer does.

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    Seems clear to me why its non-canon, then.

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    Is "non-canon" even a thing anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold Experience View Post
    Is "non-canon" even a thing anymore?
    Fortunately, yes.

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    Keikenchi is non-canon TM employee.

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    Sounds like a weird approach from Kinoko "Every root is canon" Nasu.

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    Story Summary - Section 5: Priestess of Ruin

    Shusha is enjoying herself picking flowers with Majin during the meeting, when she suddenly stops to ask "I wonder why I like flowers?" Majin obviously thinks this is pretty weird, and even Rengoku makes a remark about the bizarre mood. Upon hearing this, Shusha is just amazed the sword can talk, and she beggins tugging on it. She thinks Rengoku is super cool, and while he agrees that you'll be hard pressed to find a sword as cool as him, he won't let her touch him just because she says that. Hearing this, Shusha makes a 180 and instead thinks Rengoku is stupid, to which Majin agrees completely.

    Changing the subject, they talk about how Shusha has somewhere she needs to go. She says there's something that's been waiting for her there, for a really, really long time. That's why she has to go, and why she won't moan about it. Something very important is there. She asks Majin if she doesn't have a place to go, to which Majin replies that she's sort of already been there. Shusha thinks that makes her better than herself already, but Majin isn't so sure. Still, Shusha is certain that Majin did a lot of good in her days. Nobu calls the two of them back to the teahouse, and Shusha runs ahead. Left behind on the field, Majin asks Rengoku to lend his strength in order to see Shusha's journey through to the end. She thinks Shusha's journey must be one filled with hurt, and so for as long as possible, she would like to ease that for her. Rengoku at first seems confused as to why this would be, but suddenly seems to realize, and agrees wholeheartedly. After all, guiding a lost child is nothing compared to the usual.

    Back in the teahouse, you catch everyone up on the situation. Nothing happened with Shusha and Majin, and Okita didn't notice anything strange about Rikyu. The one thing Nobu notes is that Mitsunari seems strangely confident, despite the fact that he must know of Chaldea's strength in the previous Yamataikoku. Yamanami enters the room, and says that obviously Mitsunari must possess some sort of trump card. Before things get rough again, Iyo steps in to explain. Turns out, Yamanami is actually a mole in Mitsunari's operation, so he's really with you guys. He apparently came here along with the other lost souls after Yamatai, and was found by Iyo. Nobu says that's totally TPO (TL note: TPO stands for "Time, Place, Occassion" and was originally fashion-specific for how you should dress best, but has been adopted in other industries in Japan to hammer in how important it is to take everything into account and change things up based on the circumstances). Either way, he's been investigating the others as a sort of atonement for last time, and he specifically asked Iyo to not say anythin to you in order to keep appearances up.

    As for what he's found out: Their goal is to reinstate the legitimate leadership of the now deceased Toyotomi Hideyori, Hideyoshi's heir. Nobu asks if he's already here, or if they plan to summon him as a Servant, to which Yamanami says that the ambition is to serve Hideyori in a manner wherein he is much greater than he could ever have been in life. To do this, they plan to use the "ancestral beast", a primordial beast older than even Yamataikoku, which has survived since the Age of Gods. Iyo explains that the ancestral beast is something that was rejected even by the Kunakoku, who made use of the beast magic. And more importantly, Iyo was its priestess.

    Flashback to Iyo and Kukochihiko talking in some cave. Kuko hands Iyo some meat, and tells her to eat it. Since she is the ancestral beast's priestess, her body, down to the very last particle, is to be a vessel for it, and so she must live for it, and feed for it. She is a Priestess of Ruin, inheritor to the powers of eternal darkness which brings curses, disease, and destruction to everything nearby simply through their existence.

    Kukochihiko:

    Curse them... Curse this cave, curse me,
    curse the people of Kuna who put you in this cave,
    curse yourself for having been born into this world;
    only then will you harbor the power of the ancestral beast within yourself,
    and be reborn as the ruler of ancient beasts.
    If Himiko is not defeated, there is no future for our kingdom.
    The Queen of Light threatens us all...!

    Iyo simply complies with a sad countenance.

    Back in the teahouse, Iyo continues to explain how she was born a cursed, unholy child, veiled in the powers of eternal darkness. A priestess of ruin whose powers are said to cause destruction to everything around her. This power in turn led to her being found by Kukochihiko, and being turned into the vessel for the ancestral beast. For a really long time, she was locked in that cave, where no light could reach her. Naturally, this is just making her sound more and more like a certain queen...

    Another flashback, in which Iyo doesn't want to eat anymore meat. She wants to experience other foods. She questions her own birth. The birth which killed both her parents, and caused an epidemic that wiped out the entire village. All those people died just because she was born. Again and again, she questions her own birth, and the only conclusion she can come to is that she has to keep eating the meat. But then, the walls of the cave crumble, and in steps Himiko. She's looking for Kukochihiko, but stops when she finds Iyo. She senses some similarity between the two of them, although Iyo stinks like an animal and just completely looks like a wreck, so Himiko is quick to get her out of there. Iyo says she can't go, as she's a priestess to the ancestral beast, but Himiko says that just seeing the sunlight will change her mind. Even if she brings destruction to everything around her, Himiko doesn't really care about that, and she thinks Iyo's power is kinda amazing. There's no such thing as good or bad powers, it's all in how you use it. For example, Himiko always makes it rain, but at least that helps with growing rice. Upon hearing about rice, Iyo understands Himiko is also from Yamataikoku.

    Flashback ends, and finishes her story by saying she became a disciple of Himiko after she destroyed Kunakoku. In the end, only Himiko and her brother knew the truth about Iyo, which is why she was able to take the throne after they were gone. As for Kukochihiko, having lost his priestess, he apparently tried to use himself as a vessel for the ancestral beast, turning him into the horror you're used to. Last time, he should have been returned to the light by Himiko's powers, but something obviously went awry.

    As for now, you just have to wait for the right moment to have Yamanami betray Mitsunari. Nobu may not be proud of it, but she's been betrayed lots of times, since it was commonplace during her time, and it's just one of the best strategies. Yamanami says that Mitsunari's forces will be deployed across the area, spread out, with Yamanami on the right flank. You should just pretend you're actually surrounded, and then make your move once Yamanami begins his plan. Now, he has to leave before he arouses too much suspicion. But before that, he asks Okita why she's not wearing her haori, to which she simply says she's having a bit of a bad day for it.

    In Mitsunari's camp, they're discussing the strategy. Yamanami will have the right flank, Kuko the left, and Mitsunari the middle. This is known as the Kakuyoku, or "crane's wings" Kuko wonders why they don't just go in with the whole army at once since there's such a massive difference in numbers, but Mitsunari says not to underestimate Nobunaga, who is equivalent to a whole army on her own with her guns. Still, one thing seems to worry Mitsunari more than anything else. This foggy area and terrain reminds him of the greatest and final battle in his life: Sekigahara.
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    They just announced Gudaguda rerun gatcha on the Chaldea Plus stream, every day a new one appears that lasts 3 days. We will start with Avenger Nobu and Berserker Nobu, and the last one is Lancer Ryoma. We also get 10 quartz too.

    Also, no Izo in the gatcha goddamn it, only Mori.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theadier View Post
    which theory?
    The one I've seen is this:

    Basically, the crest shown in what's most likely Rikyu's third ascension is that of the Mogami clan. With this, they speculate that the girl you see is actually Komahime, who was the daughter of Mogami Yoshiaki, and who was set to become a concubine of Toyotomi Hidetsugu, the nephew and adopted son of Hideyoshi. She travelled to meet with her would-be husband, but stayed in a town to rest after a long journey before even meeting with him. During that short time, Hideyoshi ordered Hidetsugu's death by seppuku, after which all his concubines and children (I think) were rounded up in the nearby villages, and were killed (and I think were thrown into a mass grave adorned with Hidetsugu's head). Komahime, despite not even having met Hidetsugu yet, was also beheaded during this time.

    If you continue the tweet thread, one of the next ones mention how the dress in Rikyu's second ascension bears similarities to what would have been Komahime's wedding dress, which is on display in some museum. Another tweet points out how in first and second ascension, you can't see her neck at all, because she's wearing some sort of black turtleneck. In the new sprite, she's wearing some sort of black and red collar/choker. This, alongside the fact that the new sprite has a Camellia in her hair, which is a flower directly associated with beheadings in Japan, also makes a pretty clear case of "Rikyu" being someone who was beheaded (which is not how Rikyu himself died, that was just seppuku iirc).

    All in all, the assumption is that perhaps "Rikyu" here is some sort of amalgamation of "those wrongfully executed by Hideyoshi", where the body itself is Komahime, and the dominant personality is Sen no Rikyu, which would explain why they act exactly like Nobu remembers. This could also partly explain the huge weight (being an amalgamation of so many people) and maybe the fact that she didn't want to be in the meeting with Mitsunari isn't just because she disliked them in life, but because Mitsunari acted as one of the head examiners of the slaughter of Komahime, and so perhaps if he saw Rikyu as she exists now, he would immediately notice that's Komahime's body, not Rikyu's.
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    This is so dumb, I would have no issue if there was a gatcha with Saito, Izo and either Okuni or Lancer Ryoma, but instead of that they decided to follow a theme and the 4* are only with related units, and Izo is nowhere at all despite the fact he would fit with Lancer Ryoma (plus Gudaguda Servant too). So if you wanted Okuni, Lancer Ryoma, Himiko or Okita Alter you get less from the gatcha than Avenger Nobu, Hijikata and Okita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    They just announced Gudaguda rerun gatcha on the Chaldea Plus stream, every day a new one appears that lasts 3 days. We will start with Avenger Nobu and Berserker Nobu, and the last one is Lancer Ryoma. We also get 10 quartz too.

    Also, no Izo in the gatcha goddamn it, only Mori.
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    SQ for both Okita Alter and Mori:

    - Okita Alter: Her Quick/Buster Up skill now also gives 20-30% extra damage against Sky Attribute enemies.
    - Mori: His 2nd skill is changed from 3 attacks/3 turns to 3 turns.

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    Story Summary - Section 6: Decisive battle! Dark Sekigahara

    --- Arrow 1 ---
    Flashback to Keichou 5, 15th day of the 9th month (October 21st, 1600). Sekigahara, Ishida Mitsunari's headquarters.
    We see Mitsunari trying to manage the battlefield, but Kobayakawa, alongside many others, are seemingly missing from the battle or refuse to move. Mitsunari sends envoys to urge the other loyalists to make a move, as the battle has already begun full-scale. The fate of the Toyotomi clan depends entirely on this battle. A soldier reports that Kobayakawa's troops have finally gone on the move, except...they've turned on Otani's forces (an ally of the loyalists). Not only that, but the forces of Wakisaka Yasuhara, Ogawa Suketada, Akaza Naoyasu, and Kutsuki Mototsuna all turned as well. All those people who had pledged allegiance to Toyotomi had now turned to the other side, all the while acting as if their loyalty was preserved.

    And then Mitsunari realizes. Hideyori. He immediately sends a messenger to call for Hideyori. If only he would take his rightful place, then Ieyasu would have no claim. With his power, they will definitely win this battle, and Mitsunari will defend his future with all he has. The scene ends with Mitsunari laughing hysterically, as it fades out (and for some reason his nameplate here changes from 石田三成, Ishida Mitsunari, to 石田三, Ishida Mitsu. Might just be a typo?)

    Back with Chaldea on the appointed battlefield, Nobu is certain you'll win, but you tell her not to jinx it. She'll handle the front, as she excels with numbers, while Majin will handle the left wing and Kukochihito. Shusha will stay with Gudao, who alongside Okita and Iyo will handle the enemy's right wing. Though you notice that Okita isn't there, and Rikyu says she wasn't feeling well, so she's resting before the battle. While she's here, Rikyu offers to help, and asks what she should be doing (though it'll cost you, obviously). Nobu says just to send the tea nobbu with her, since she should be able to lead them well.

    Speaking of, a tea nobbu appears and starts talking. Turns out Rikyu taught them to be somewhat intelligent, in order to help with the tea business. It reports that the left wing has drawn first blood, or in other words, the battle has begun. All you can do now is to follow through. Once a battle begins, there's no choice but to finish it. You head out onto the battlefield, even without Okita. Iyo is a bit concerned for Okita, since Nobu said those who desert will lose their heads, but Gudao is just like "she really needs to lay off with the beheadings", and Shusha saying she'd feel bad for anyone who was beheaded. Iyo says that at this rate Yamanami will have to commence his plan even before Okita gets here. She notices that Yamanami is already there, but when he attacks Iyo, she appears genuinely surprised. Yamanami speaks to his troops, saying it's a good thing Okita isn't here, and that they should capture Chaldea's Master.

    [In this battle you have to use Iyo, and there's no support Iyo to use. There are 99 enemies (6 enemy waves), and Yamanami has unremovable, permanent "0 damage taken" buff. Simply defeat 10 enemies to end the battle.]

    On the other wing, Majin is fighitng Kukochihiko, noting how strange his blade is. It's as if there's some great power concealed within. Kuko notes that Majin is definitely the most dangerous among Chaldea, to which she says Nobunaga should be way more dangerous, but Kuko seems to have implied something else.
    With Nobu, things seem to be going well, but she's worrying over the fact that Yamanami is still fighting on the left wing. Did he betray you? It appears that both the right and left flanks are being pushed back, and so Nobu will retreat as well. The tea nobbu says Nobu will be beheaded, but fighting to the death on the battlefield is for idiots, she says.

    Rikyu appears, and Nobu asks if this was her handiwork, but she says it was merely the result that was hers (rather than the means). She's sure that Nobu already figured out she was playing both sides. Nobu then thinks she's here to distract her further, but she says it's nothing so grand. She simply wants to make Nobunaga a product. An immense pressure comes down on Nobu, as she sinks into darkness, and Rikyu bids a brief farewell to the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven.

    --- Arrow 2 ---
    [Majin solo quest, she has a lot of buffs including no offensive class disadvantage]

    Majin cuts down numerous soldiers, as she's perfectly suited for this kind of battle. But wars aren't all about cutting down the opponent. Yamanami appears, and Majin at first says "oh it's our insider", before adding "oh maybe I wasn't allowed to say that", but Kuko doesn't care, because Yamanami is here with something that will stop Majin in his tracks. He has taken Iyo and Gudao hostage. Yamanami tells her to drop her weapon, or he can't guarantee the survival of either, and even though you tell Majin to run, she obviously lays down her blade. Kuko immediately goes in for a killing blow, and Majin falls to the ground. Yamanami berates him, saying she was disarming herself, but Kuko points out that she's so strong, and so able to wipe them out single-handledly if given the chance, that even being cut by his beast sword, she's not yet dead. Either way, Yamanami remarks, Mitsunari ordered them all to be rounded up.

    --- Arrow 3 ---
    Mitsunari, all smug like, asks Nobu how it feels to lose a battle after such remarkable confidence. He asks if you have any words for the traitor, Yamanami, and though you ask him for a reason, he simply stays quiet. It's not so surprising, considering he once again betrayed his friends by pretending to be their ally. When asked why you were captured instead of killed, Mitsunari says you are bait. Bait for the plan required to foster a thousand years of prosperity in New Yamataikoku. You're to be thrown into the dungeon, and given just enough tea to survive. Nobu says he better not regret not killing you when he had the chance, to which Mitsunari says he would gladly be given a reason to regret not killing the demon king, and then proceeds to laugh maniacally again.

    Back on the Border, they are just about to get communications up and running again. Chacha wonders if they've already resolved the singularity, and Mashu passingly points out that Izou wasn't in the raffle for Servants to go because he still hadn't paid off his debt to Crane for his costume. The interest is so high he's now just gone into hiding, but Ryoma paid for his bonds and he and Oryou had to go track him down. That's why none of the Tosa people are in this event.

    Communications open, but on the screen is Rikyu introducing herself. Mori says there's no way that little girl is Rikyu, but she recognizes him, at least, and provides an anecdote to prove it's really Rikyu speaking. She then says there's someone else here to explain an urgent matter to you. Yamanami appears on screen, to Hajime's surprise. Yamanami didn't recognize Hajime first, since he wasn't wearing a haori either. Either way, Yamanami explains that Chaldea's Master is in danger, being captives of Mitsunari, who is trying to establish a new Toyotomi dynasty in the new Yamataikoku. He asks Chaldea to send reinforcements, and Rikyu will provide exact coordinates.

    But before that, even though time is of the essence, Da Vinci has some clarifying questions. She asks about the atmosphere in the singularity, and Rikyu explains that, yes, it's difficult for even Servants to exist there, but her tea can neutralize the effect. Himiko then asks about New Yamataikoku, and Rikyu just says that she must be the predecessor to Iyo, who's also a captive. But no time for questions, really, because Mitsunari is about to welcome the new lord of Toyotomi. This makes Chacha perk up, since that would be... Rikyu confirms it: The legitimate heir and son of the Toyotomi clan and of Toyotomi Hideyoshi---the very same Hideyori.

    Communications cut out, leaving Chacha almost enraged. If Hideyori is alive there, then she must go. They need to reishift her immediately. Da Vinci tells her to calm down and to focus on Gudao, but Chacha won't have it, with flames growing around her in her rage. Mori knows that the only way to stop her when she becomes like this is death, and so he cuts her down. He'll apologize to Gudao later. Well, actually, she barely survives so he takes her to the infirmary for now. Either way, had he not cut her down, her Saint Graph would have transformed into something completely different. As for the operation at hand, Hajime points out Yamanami's outfit, which Hijikata seemingly also took note of, and more importantly, with Gudao out of the picture, you need someone to lead the Servants. Mashu passes the question to Gordolf, who looks on in nervousness.
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    I can't believe we're gonna deal with Hideyori by snitching on him to his mother
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    We almost got Avenger Chacha LOL.

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    Izo's in hiding from debt so that's why he's not in the gacha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sione View Post
    You know, it's really absurd that GudaGuda Servants are basically "non-canon" because Keikenichi handles Japanese history and mythology better than any other TM writer does.
    At least Nasu is a good sport about it and doesn't mind Keinkechi doing his own thing. That said, it would be less silly if Nasu actually bothered to show just how his version of these characters are, but that's another thing entirely.

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    Nasu doesn't mind anyone doing their own thing. And that slowly becoming a problem.

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    That's how it should be with all sub-writers.

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