S-surely this, along with ZIPANG running at the same time, means Hideyoshi will be in the game next year.
S-surely this, along with ZIPANG running at the same time, means Hideyoshi will be in the game next year.
I like how they showed how ruthless old Hideyoshi was in just few dialogues.
I haven't said anything about qualifying, only that they're hardly no-names.Originally Posted by Byegod
lol 'coincidence'
For some reason I forgot you were playing Japanese FGO
My hot take is that Rikyu qualifying as a Servant makes more sense than Michelangelo qualifying.
Please elaborate, I have this bitch at NP2 so I'm stuck forever now
Rikyu was known for being the number 1 in his art. Unlike Michelangelo, who is more widely remembered as being da Vinci's number 2. It's the same situation as how Sei Shounagon was explictly not a Heroic Spirit, or how Salieri's Heroic Spirit status comes entirely from his murder rumors rather than from his musical carrer.
Honestly, Andersen and Dumas actually being Heroic Spirits feels harder to explain. Dumas more so because Andersen is at least the number 1 of his own genre.
This is honestly a load of crap. Michelangelo's contributions to sculpture are far more influential and renowned than Da Vinci's, who isn't even known for any work in that field. And his architectural work boasts a significantly larger roster of famed installations and buildings - precisely because he was groomed in & dedicated to 3 dimensional art, where Da Vinci engaged in everything that interested him.
Plaster casts of Michelangelo's David are in art rooms around the world - including pretty much every Japanese highschool, if only the bust. His pieces for architecture like the statues up high in the Sistine Chapel account for perspective and with exaggerated 8:1 head:body ratios.
Their bodies of work are different and during Da Vinci's height Michelangelo was a prodigy 20 years his junior. Michelangelo is principally a sculptor, which happens to be a field Da Vinci has little work to show in. Michelangelo saw painting and drawing as lesser art forms to sculpting - so comparing them as painters of the time is a kind of laughable endeavour.
Last edited by Sath; September 15th, 2022 at 12:15 PM.
I always assumed the criteria for heroic spirit qualification is entirely based on the writers' whims and biases.
Yeah, there’s definitely no particular criteria one could use to reason out qualification. Muramasa not qualifying while half a dozen writers and artists qualify makes no sense. Nobukatsu is definitely a literal who, but he is certainly above phantom level.
It should be noted that Muramasa's a bit unreliable, due to his views about Heroes and his own high standards. As for Nobukatsu, he's noted to only be summonable due to a variety of shenanigans, starting off by piggybacking his sister's Saint Graph.
Overall though, yeah, even who outright qualifies for Heroic Spirit is unclear.
As for Iyo, are we even sure she needs to be a Heroic Spirit, given the setting of the story is some kind of Afterlife?
Last edited by Base; September 15th, 2022 at 02:30 PM.
Yeah this tbh
Still waiting for the chaddest of them all, Raphael, though
As of today, we are sure she doesn't qualify as Heroic Spirit.
What about Donnatello?
Oh, so it gets discussed within the newest chapters?
Not discussed, it's just that the excuse for her temporary contract is that she's too weak clear the battle at hand with a Master's mana supply.
I don't quite get what you mean, mind clarifying a little?
It's really just that.
Iyo: S-sorry, I'm weaker than I thought. I guess my wounds aren't healed yet. Or maybe it's because of my lacking below-Heroic-Spirit Saint Graph? [...] If anyone would contract me right now, that would at least solve the magical energy shortage. [...]
Fujimaru: Sure.
Kukochihiko and Mitsunari are still in their dimly lit room. Kuko is performing some sort of ritual, calling for his ancestors, for beasts, for curses, impurity, and lamentation, as the darkness engulfs him. He comments on how it's been so long since he was in a human body that it's really unusual. Mitsunari asks "how much longer", to which Kuko can't give a definite answer, but it might be a long time. Since Mitsunari isn't well-versed in magic though, he just lets the topic be for the time being. Instead, they change the topic to Chaldea, and Mitsunari says that with the network set up across the Singularity they'll fit them in no time.
Just then, Yamanami enters and reports that he's located Chaldea. They have just opened up business in a teahouse. Mitsunari doesn't think he quite caught what Yamanami said, and asks him to repeat.
Yamanami:
They've opened a teahouse and started doing business.
Mitsunari:
What?
Cut to Chaldea, who are now selling tea in the middle of nowhere. Turns out, the GO-AN, which requires a lot of magical energy to operate, is a Noble Phantasm born of the same concept as Rikyu, which means that it is powered by the very thing Rikyu herself desires. In this case, Rikyu is short on cash.
Back with Mitsunari, reflecting on what the hell Chaldea are doing. Kuko wonders why they would collect money, but Mitsunari says it's simple: because they need it. Just as an army needs food, it's something vital you can cut off. In other words, Mitsunari and company just need to be the one to collect that money.
Back with Chaldea after a hard day's work, everyone's having a cup of tea while Iyo and Rikyu do some expositioning. Basically, the souls of the dead stuck in limbo are building some sort of new nation here (hence "New Yamataikoku"), since there are so many stuck here without having crossed over into the light. Iyo says that even though she was helping with ferrying the dead this whole time, there was no way she could've made sure no one slipped by her attention when she was all alone. But then, Rikyu says, Jibu-no-shō appeared in the land. Nobu reflects on how it's supposed to just be some court official position, but Rikyu says it refers to Ishida Mitsunari, who was by Hideyoshi's side. Although, Nobu might know them better as Sakichi (a childhood name of theirs).
Basically, Mitsunari is not only a good follower of Hideyoshi, but he's obviously just a really good leader, considering he made this place into a proper country in such a short time. As far as domestic administration skills go, he's probably the best of those who served under Hideyoshi. Either way, Nobu is convinced Mitsunari is getting their power from the grail and that he's the bad guy here. Furthermore, in just 10 more days at this rate of work you'll have enough magical energy to move along.
The next morning, Iyo wakes everyone up with a lot of yelling, telling them to come outside. Right outside, a new teahouse has opened up! It's the "Ishida Teahouse"! How could they have possibly built that overnight? Regardless, the people think it tastes the same, so why not just go with the cheaper one? Ishida's teahouse are competing by lowering their prices through mass production, while Rikyu and co are barely above the production cost, so if they go any lower they won't make any more magical energy. Well, Nobu says, if you can't lower prices, you have to win with added value, or: "RENEWAL".
Cut to Ishida who explains the concept of profits and losses in a business, while Kuko asks why do all this and not just go kick their asses. Mitsunari has a flashback to his time serving Hideyoshi, in which Hideyoshi simultaneously praises his work, but also berates him for not doing something better for himself. Mitsunari says he doesn't care about people's opinions or political followings, just loyalty to Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi thinks Mitsunari will never change, and never make any real friends. Back in the present, Mitsunari simply explains that Chaldea is operating within the laws laid down by him, so he has no right to do anything but this. Just then, a wolfman comes into the room, giving a sales report about rapidly declining sales figures...
Turns out, Chaldea has started selling a bunch of merch with their tea, like the Shinsengumi outfit set, or the Honnoji flaming set, or the Majin set. They're calling it the "First Himiko Teahouse". Iyo thinks it should've been named after her, but she's just not popular enough with the populous. Instead of complaining, she should just go stock the vending machines out front. Meanwhile, some beastmen are saying the tea is shit, using false accusations to cover up them trying to destroy the teahouse. Rikyu is fast to force them back, telling them that there's no commotion to be allowed within this establishment. With her help, you defeat the rowdy boys.
---
Back with Mitsunari, he can't believe they lost, when the tea was the same quality (if not better) but cheaper. The scout details all the campaigns Chaldea pulled, but Mitsunari seems baffled, since it's so obvious all this stuff is just to make more money for the company. Either way, this whole idea was Mitsunari's fault. He figured better quality and lower price would win out, but people are as stupid as ever. The scout says next time he'll get them good, but Mitsunari is not amused. Losing out in a battle of teahouses is one thing, but to assault someone in their own establishment and then dare show their face here again? That's simply against the law. The scout is taken away by the guards for their crimes.
Yamanami is to take on Chaldea instead, but Mitsunari isn't so stupid as to just send him in as is. Instead, he'll set it up so he's bound to succeed. The darkness envelops Mitsunari, and then Yamanami. Kukochihiko explains that it's the same darkness as in Yamataikoku, but more pure, since it's coming straight from the ancestral beast. Of course, since Mitsunari endured as much, it should be no problem for Yamanami. The darkness subsides, and Yamanami feels the power surge within him. Mitsunari says to ask Kuko for pointers no how to make use of it, as Mitsunari himself needs to prepare to receive "that man". Kuko says not to worry about that, setting out right away to display how to use the power granted.
(TL note: really not sure if the ズキューン in the title is an onomatopoeia for a gun firing or an explosion type noise, or if it's a kissing noise, or if it's a jojo reference. who knows, really. It's also some makeup brand I think, which has their brand in english a lot, and that's what I used here while I know it's most likely not the right one, but it was in english, so there you go)
Another flashback to Mitsunari serving Hideoyshi, where Mitsunari asks if it's okay to leave Rikyu free like this. Hideyoshi says it's fine since their tea still has some uses. Mitsunari, on the other hand, thinks it's wrong that Rikyu have been profiting of their work, or more specifically, that this work has involved weapons and military supplies rather than just tea. But it makes Hideyoshi money too, and Rikyu really helped him out in the past, so he can't just clank down on it too much. As Hideyoshi leaves, Mitsunari vows that he won't let Riyku have their way forever.
But then, Hideyoshi comes back, and all of a sudden, demands the death of Rikyu. Mitsunari is, granted, pretty baffled. Why have them killed out of the blue like this? Gathering evidence is one thing, but to just go ahead and do it without solid proof may cause distrust among the other officials. But Hideyoshi just says "there was just something about that business stuff you were talking about!"
Back with Chaldea in present time, you've reached your destination, but there's an insanely heavy fog. You can't see anything, but everyone seems to still be there, except for Rikyu, who apparently went to get tea ingredients or something. Before long, the fog lifts. The place you find yourselves in is actually that village you built up during the last Yamatai event. Iyo says that should be impossible though, considering it was definitely destroyed. An old Japanese man comes up to you and seemingly recognizes Iyo, at which point lots of other people surround you, praising Iyo. You definitely feel something's wrong here.
You have a big feast, and then get a place to rest. Iyo also feels there's something the matter here, but Nobu just thinks "If there's food, I eat, and if there's a bed, I sleep" and so naturally, she goes to bed. Okita, Shusha, and Gudao all get sleepy too, but Majin says she'll stay up so it's okay to sleep. However, a darkness seems to engulf Nobunaga. Then it moves to Okita, and suddenly it's just about everywhere. Iyo clamors for you to come to your senses, grabbing a hold of you, as the world suddenly transposes into one of complete darkness and mire.
Iyo's touch seems to have protected you, and you quickly recognize this as the place of the final showdown with Kukochihiko last time. Iyo explains that this is a long lost (supposedly) spell of the Kuna kingdom, passed down amongst the people who worship the beasts, in which a mental interference magecraft draws people into complete darkness and erodes their very minds. The senses are dulled, the mind relaxed, and the spell is completed upon entering a state of sleep. You point out that Iyo knows a lot about it, and she just says she's sort of a specialist in the subject. Either way, the really bad stuff is what comes next: those stuck here now have their grudges exposed and manifested to attack you.
Iyo says she's about to get serious to protect you, and she shoots a tiny ball of light against an enemy which does, uh, a whole lot of nothing.
Iyo: (thanks comun)
S-sorry, I'm weaker than I thought. I guess my wounds aren't healed yet.
Or maybe it's because of my lacking below-Heroic-Spirit Saint Graph?
She keeps comparing herself to Himiko, and finally says that if only someone contracted with her at least it would solve her magical energy shortage. At least with a proper contract she would be able to act roughly as a normal Servant. Naturally, you form a contract with her, she manifests her cool outfit from before, and she immediately assaults the enemy.
Iyo:
Wisdom of everlasting darkness, to me!
The grudge-filled man turns into a ghost and disappears in the light spawned by Iyo. In its place, Kuko appears.
Kukochihiko:
Trying to escape again... Priestess of Ruin...
Just as you abandoned our people of Kuna, you've abandoned the people of Yamataikoku; cast away all...
Iyo realizes this is nothing more than a construct of her mind, keeping her within this realm of darkness, and so she must defeat it to be free. At first, she thinks to fight it all along, but obviously, Gudao is there to help.
---
You defeat the illusion, but it leaves behind some real ominous dialogue lines, like:
"No matter how hard you fight, you can never escape your destiny."
"You are the horror which brings ruin to all, doomed to never find the way of light..."
You grab a hold of Iyo and zoom out of that place, leaving behind all the other peopel stuck in that hell hole. You find yourself in some sort of cave, because as it turns out, the village and all the people you saw earlier were all fake, illusions conjured by the evil land into your susceptible minds. You meet up with Majin who seems to have had no trouble at all with sleeping, and Shusha, who did fall asleep, but when the adults around her all started fighting she just ran away and woke up. It's just Okita and Nobu left, and while Iyo says it's a pressing concern to get them out before they become entirely mentally crippled, you wonder how bad it can really get.
Cut to Nobu's "dream", where she's at Honnoji, but talking to Ranmaru about being betrayed, even by Ranmaru herself, except, she obviously knows this isn't real life, and asks the obviously fake Ranmaru if she really thinks she's that dumb, cutting her down in the process. Ranmaru turns into a ghost, and it quickly cuts back to the cave where the rest of you are just standing around Nobu, watching her laugh and thrash around in her sleep. Since she's obviosuly in no trouble, you decide to focus your efforts on Okita. Okita's "dream" seems to consist of dead Shinsengumi members thinking it unfair that Okita remains alive. But, Okita too cuts down the foes in front of her. "It's because you're weak," she says. She's not sure what's going on but if they stand in her way she'll just cut them down.
Instead, she meets Yamanami. While he greets her rather friendly, she immediately tries to cut him, but misses slightly. He says he's totally the real thing, and though he may have "died" back then, he's returned from hell now. So they can totally have a conversation. Or actually, Okita just uses her NP on him immediately, thinking he's some sort of imposter. Yamanami now knows why Serizawa didn't want to make an enemy of Okita, but he also realizes this was his own fault, since he handled the spell so poorly. As Okita goes for the killing blow, shadow emerges from Yamanami once more. He says it really was good to see Okita again, before he disappears, and Okita wakes up with a jump, bashing her head against Nobu's. Iyo is understandably pretty bummed about how everyone got out on their own but she had to try her hardest even after getting a proper contract.
You hear a voice from outside, and go out to meet Yamanami there. Finally you're able to talk properly, since it seems you're one of the few people to be able to hold Okita back. She asks why he's here, and he reiterates that he's back from hell. Iyo asks how he could use that long lost spell from the Kuna kingdom, since there should be no practitioners left, to which he simply says his master gave it to him, namedropping Kukochihiko. Nobu thinks it's about time to off this guy, and pulls a gun on him, but misses, and Yamanami teleports away using the darkness.
Turns out Nobu wouldn't actually have been strong enough to fight, she was just bluffing to seem strong still. More importantly, what's up with a mage in the shinsengumi? Shouldn't they all just be Sabers and Assassins, and that one Berserker? Okita says there weren't any in life, but Yamanami was always the intellectual among them, so if Kuko was his master, then maybe. They ask about Kuko's current appearance, and Iyo explains that was how he looked before he was consumed by the darkness, when he was the hero of the Kuna kingdom.
Iyo:
As well as...the way he was when he was my teacher.
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