He means we're 100% sure the name of the lens isn't SHIVA because no character related Shiva ever commented on it.
He means we're 100% sure the name of the lens isn't SHIVA because no character related Shiva ever commented on it.
You expecting to summon Shiva himself? But fair enough, though that is a different point than was being made by the other guy.
I think it's also important thatandシバShebaread quite differently in JP.シヴァShiva
you are right, forgot that its frozen and we`re using a replacement by thenOriginally Posted by Arete
I think you missing the starting argument of the discussion. Back in 2015, no one knew if Shiba Rensu was supposed to be romanized as Shiva Lens or Sheba Lens. Translators bet on Shiva because it was the more well-known figure. In 2017, Salem clarified it was Sheba. Everyone adjusted their translations accordingly. Except FGO NA, who still initially went SHIVA Lens until I don't remember when.
The rest of the conversation was people adding evidence to it not being SHIVA Lens by pointing out how the Lens was not mentioned at all at the points where Shiva was relevant to FGO.
It's really just akin to a Knight of Honor case where the fandom first rendered it as SHIVA because 1) it sounds like it when read literally, 2) it's way more known than Sheba, and 3) you CAN spell Shiva that way, but it's not common at all. The official translation then took after those fandom terms (not the first time, a lot of official terms spawned in the fandom first) but seemingly without any additional fact checking. That the official TL used it is in no way indicative of correctness when especially early NA was absolutely atrocious (something they admitted themselves and had to basically redo it), and so many of their word choices are still head scratchers.
The connection to Sheba was made explicit when it became relevant. It's not something we're guessing, we were straight up told so, and never has there been a point where the story even considered that maybe it could be something else.
NA changing it after that shows that they really did take it from the fandom and once everyone else saw the mixup they were also able to go "woops got that wrong".
Kama's mats imply this may happen in the future, in what shape or form no idea
Ruler Raikou (forma de Ushi Gozen)
A few thoughts after catching up.
In the framework of this theory and what we now know about Daybit (which is still very little), he still could in fact have been the shooter. That being said, it's clear he's not entirely aligned with the Alien God's plan. The Alien God's plan ultimately seems peripheral to this whole mystery, frankly, and my takeaway is that she's really just a victim whose circumstances drive her in this direction. But anyway, it could very well be possible that Daybit set the whole Lostbelt thing in motion as a way to access an active ORT. That has been his goal from a very early stage, if not the start, given how much set-up he had to do to awaken ORT in Mictlan. So in this scenario, he'd be using the Alien God with no intention of letting her follow through on her plan. ORT consuming Earth and CHALDEAS could feasibly produce a "positive" result, i.e., ending the simulation and returning the texture to how it was pre-Singularity F/X.
As for Daybit being a "hole in reality"... it is conceivable that he and Ritsuka are of the same origin. PHH. Except Daybit either has memories of it or found out the truth and killed Marisbury for essentially creating a Lostworld. Maybe Marisbury's intentions wasn't to fuck up PHH with the Human Order Incineration and then whatever Beast VII's plan is, though I'm not sure what my takeaway on how evil or not Marisbury was or to what degree this was all part of his plan. But the likely outcome is that Daybit will be stopped, because Chaldea has to stop him, and only afterwards will they realize the problem: the future they're fighting for comes at the cost of the original texture/timeline, as well as presumably the rest of PHH's timelines (I'm still not clear how the Beast cycle in FGO affects parallel worlds).
So, if Ritsuka is indeed not a native of Chaldeaworld, what will he choose? And just because a continuation of FGO will happen doesn't guarantee this world's continued existence. I think that's a fundamentally mistaken assumption. What it does mean is that there will be a continuity after Part 2's conclusion. That could end up being with a new cast and/or a new(old?) timeline.
But yeah, this all just comes back to Daybit and Marisbury. What were they cooking?
Also, Christ, so much pedantry in this thread. You don't need to agree or accept the themes or fundamentals of a story for it to be the story.
isnt Shana-Oh NP 1 called Eye of Shiva or something? or is it actually something-Ten like Ishanaten
Jizaiten-gan I think.
Wrong Jizaiten. Jizaiten is the short for two very, very different things. So different that Nasu made a point to slap a big DO NOT CONFUSE disclaimer when going on about it in Musashi's mats.
One is Tenman Daijizai Tenshin. This one is the god form of Suguwara no Michizane, who is a facet of Shiva=Mahesvara=Guanyin=Idokuten. That's the god Musashi worships and the spiritual father of Indra=Gozu Tennou=Ushi Gozen=Minamoto no Raikou.
The other Take-Jizaiten. This one is the Sixth Heaven of the Pleasure Realm. Musashi's mats mentions mention the king of this place is Izanagi=Ishanaten, so one of the reasons why Musashi is a Yoshitsune fangirl is that she confuses the two Jizaiten and Yoshitsune is associated with Ishanaten via the Shana-ou name. Also Oo'oku is a thing, so we know the full chain is Kama=Mara=Hajun=Izanagi=Ishanaten.
tl;dr during Ushiwaka's training years, Kiichi named her after Kama, which may or may not be really sus for Sanat Kumara syncretism.
Last edited by Comun; January 30th, 2023 at 06:28 PM.
So what you're saying is Kama is Tamamo's dad.
It all comes back to Tamamo.
When the Saitama event comes out in NA later this year, remember to read Oryou's dad's lines in Sakura's voice.
Fujiwara no Michizane is the same as Sugawara no Michizane, yeah? I'm assuming so since you call him Tenman Tenshin. If so that's pretty hype. I had no idea he had lore in the Nasuverse, and being equated to Indra is both fitting and kinda wild.
Spoiler:
Also, what's this about Guanyin being a facet of Shiva?!?
Last edited by TresserT; January 30th, 2023 at 05:37 PM.
Fujiwara was a typo. There's only Sugawara no Michizane.
It's not uncommon for advanced Mystic Codes and Thaumaturgical Systems to develop their own wills and start acting autonomously. It seems to be a running theme especially when you take them to a movie theater or have them watch human history outside time and space....
Jezuz, I just drew a parallel between Trimmau and Goetia....the hell is wrong with me?
Quick Google leads me to discover that Mahesvara is sometimes considered to be Guanyin, and Mahesvara is also Shiva, therefore Guanyin is Shiva
So, what's the status of this now? Here's my extremely brief summing up of what LB7 told us, for reference:
*U-Olga was the Alien God, but she was never meant to be anything other than a puppet. The Alien World is actually CHALDEAS in some form. Marisbury somehow survived his death and is within CHALDEAS, apparently acting to protect Human Order in a way that will ultimately destroy the universe: as a result, we should assume that he is the true mastermind.
*Seven Apostles exist in total. Rasputin, Muramasa, and Douman were assigned to monitor the Crypters. Holmes, Young Moriarty, and "the Count" (Dantes?) were sent to guide Chaldea. U-Olga was intended to coordinate and lead the Apostles. All of the Apostles save for Holmes and U-Olga were aware of their roles and the nature of the Alien World.
*Marisbury had desired the bleaching from the beginning, and even Chaldea's quest to destroy the Trees of Emptiness was a part of his plan.
*Freezing CHALDEAS was never meant to disable it; in fact, it was actually meant to protect it and if Guda et al. had lingered in their old base it would have killed them on the spot.
*Following LB7's events, U-Olga is seemingly dead but there are hints that "the Count" will revive her and force her to fight against Novum Chaldea. The reason why she was ever made an Apostle to begin with remains a mystery.
*Marisbury's unknown assailant was Daybit, who learned of his plans and was trying to stop them.
*Daybit may or may not be the same person as David- the translations I've seen are somewhat inconsistent. He is indeed not fully human, due to having come into contact with an unknown artifact that disintegrated and reconstructed him while connecting him to an entity in deep space. As only a member of Chaldea could destroy CHALDEAS, this led him to his plan to destroy the planet in order to stop Marisbury from destroying the universe.
*The Chaldean was uncertain of our allegiance and believed we were working with Marisbury. However, the events of LB7 have convinced him that we both seek to stop Marisbury and that our Chaldea is not the same as the one Marisbury founded.
*Olga's presence in the Alien World is supposedly an accident, one that it used to its advantage.
Last edited by InsertNameHere; January 31st, 2023 at 05:40 PM.
I'll put out something detailed once I've read it in a detailed manner.
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