They can just go into part 2 and say everyone gets an upgrade because of reasons, so it's fine anyway.
They can just go into part 2 and say everyone gets an upgrade because of reasons, so it's fine anyway.
Originally Posted by Mcjon01
I feel like they are like that for spoiler prevention, which makes sense (Tlaloc has limited animation too, IIRC).
I think Tlaloc has half of her animations, but gets more when the Hummingbird god comes in, so the story version obviously can only use half for Tlaloc, while the summonable gets both
So.... thoughts given new information from LB7.
Spoiler:
My belief is that U-Olga is a genuine Evil of Humanity. She is willing to destroy countless lives for the sake of progressing the "real" Humanity, because she doesn't even view the people she kills as "real lives". She's doing all this so that she can make an ideal world for the "real" Humanity. That's why her tune changes completely once she forgets who Chaldea is. Chaldea's reality was a simulation all along- just like the Lostbelts- which she has no issue trampling over. Olga is a Lawful Good Defender of Humanity because she genuinely protects and benefits Humanity- her Humanity, at least. Meanwhile, she destroys a countless number of timelines.
So if I understand ORT correctly it's just chilling for the planet to cry for help at which point it annihilates all sentient life. If so, then Daybit's plan is to provoke Maia with his mafia activities.
You mean?Long gone end of Human OrderPlanet Olga Marie
Also, I don't know if it's been said already, but it was NFF Services that provided the weapons for Tez and his lackeys. Camazotz calls her "La Malinche" (like the native woman who helped Cortes) because of that.
That's the full name? Wow.
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Most likely something she did pre-Tunguska. It's the last and longest-lasting Lostbelt after all, a lot of events definitely happened while Chaldea's busy with the other six.
Seven Crypters, Seven Lostbelts, One New World
A battle between Crypters, with the winning Lostbelt overtake the world.
There's some ambiguity as to whether it should be (すでに過ぎし人理)の終 or すでに過ぎし(人理の終), but given the way it's displayed on her NP icon (with 人理の終 on the bottom, and the first clause on the top), I bet it's the latter...
"The Since Passed Human Order's End" is maybe my suggestion for a translation, if that's worth anything. It kinda preserves the ambiguity, a bit.
Oh yeah, she says that herself.
Now that Koyanskaya got to kiss her precious Beni-Enma, I'm sure she'll let us off without many additional costs.
that fucking fox is a pain in the ass even when she's dead
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She's a pain in the ass when she's on our side
Also she has a triple Arts deck and an Arts NP so far, so I seriously doubt you'll be using her Buster card that much, and Extra card is subjected to RNG, so the whole AoE in normal cards thing is a cool gimmick but not that useful overall. I honestly expect it to stay if she gets released in the near future because it's really nothing special overall, just a really unique thing that separates her from other Servants.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up being a support tbh, none of her skills makes her a good damage dealer so far and look more like they exist to help the party by either buffing them or debuffing the enemies, though we still have to see the NP to reach a conclusion (plus they could still change her kit at the end if we get a different version from the story one). Plus her full class neutrality makes it look like she'll be a Shielder for more reasons to think she's a support, but who knows, maybe it's just neutral for now until her class is revealed.
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That one is mitigated by her 1st skill where she changes all cards into hers. Coupled with BBhotep, she could be effective for multiple enemies in a single wave.
Seven Crypters, Seven Lostbelts, One New World
A battle between Crypters, with the winning Lostbelt overtake the world.
I seriously don't see people going all their way to use BBHotep + U-Olga combo, but hey, we will see how it works in the future. Though she still does reduced damage because of AoE damage, which kinda sucks honestly.
Well she showed up partially to repay her debt right? So there shouldn't be that big a starting cost to begin with, although Dark may want to get in on the kissing action too...
How is there night in this place? The sun just goes into a hole or something?
Last edited by Arete; December 26th, 2022 at 08:49 PM.
The whole is atleast 1000 kilometers deep, the sun goes down and its light down reach the upper layers. The sun goes up, its light doesn't reach the lower layers. I don't know how large it actually is, but that seems to be how the day-night cycle works in Mictlan.
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We leave Kingprotea behind in Tlatlauhqui and reach the tropical 3rd level. Banter about Marine and Tepeu's father-son dynamic reveals that Tepeu's age is equivalent to a 90-year-old in human years, but there's no problem in bringing such an elder on our journey because deinos bodily functions don't deteriorate with age.
We also get a flashback to our goodbye with Protea at the underworld border. It establishes that Camazotz contacted Storm Boarder Servants in advance to force them to accept the role of guardian. There's only so much they can do without a Master, so they have to take the offer to stay anchored. Kirei also explains that spirit surgery can't relieve her of duty, so the only way to take Kingprotea out of the underworld border is to reset her: dismiss this one and summon a new Kingprotea at the Storm Boarder. We'll see if we can find an alternative solution after regrouping at the Boarder. Kingprotea promised to fight for us with all she can if we ever choose to return to her border.
Once all the Protea-related dialogue is settled, we're randomly attacked by carnivorous insects that inflict fever on contact. The bugs' neurotoxins make deinos pass out and/or kill themselves from excessive pain, making them the #6 leading cause of death for deinos. This Lostbelt is a world where even the weakest creatures have a way to prey on the strong.
[ <-Battle against flesh-eating bugs-> ]
We were jumped on really out of nowhere because our recon Marine didn't think to keep watch at the sky and the Ortinax radar didn't register the bugs as threats. It won't happen again now that we know. We can also sleep safely knowing that the Ortinax is producing an insect-repelling frequency.
That said, our president is expecting a breakthrough in clean energy. In the next 100 years, we'll have stable nuclear fusion and finally become a humanity worthy of her rule. Mash and Fujimaru ask Olga why she wants to be president and she answers that on her empty planet, she heard Earth's screams calling her. She can't remember the reason why or her exact plan, but she wanted to be a leader that would guide and cultivate the world, ensuring a future with equal governance, impartial history, and where all races and ideologies can accept each other. In a moment of instability, she mutters something about returning to a blank slate and restarting with a less intelligent humanity, but she doesn't know what that was about. She starts to get her LB5 memories mixed with her LB7 memories and wraps up the conversation with her old "I have come to right this planet's wrongs and eradicate its evil once and for all" Olympus quote.Tepeu: Driving insects off with repulsive noise... Countermeasures utilizing instinct. Marvelous. So this is how the humanity of Pan-Human History fills the blanks in their world piece by piece.
U-Olga Marie: Hmph. Filling in blanks that should stay untouched makes them a perfect illustration of how actions have consequences. Nuclear fission is the best example of this. For energy, they discharge substances hazardous to their kind. There's something off with humanity's technological development roadmap. No respectable sapient would engage in tests with fission without first establishing a means to dispose of hazardous material. And yet the humans of Pan-Human History always chase after the 'maximum benefit'.
Fujimaru asks why she cares so much if she thinks humanity is so foolish. She assures them that being foolish is not necessarily a bad thing, nor exclusive to humanity. Every sapient life is foolish and it's their mistakes that renew the universe. In her inner thoughts, Olga complains about how this president can't even do a secretary's job with her body still at 4% capacity. That's when she realizes she doesn't really know what she is.
We're out of the woods, arriving at a great plain. We're immediately attacked by a pack of deinos under the Dinosaur King's order to let no Ocelotl pass.
[ <-Battle against fighter deinos-> ]
The enemies get really excited at all these Ocelotl weapons they've never seen before. There's no way to hide from them in the big plains, their numbers are too big to fight, and it's impossible to talk with them because deinos grow unreasonably stubborn when they are assigned a task. We also learn here that pain is pleasurable stimuli for deinos and that it can easily get addictive. Tepeu recommends we fall back into the jungle. We then take the route to Chichen Itza, so we can ask the Dinosaur King to let us through.
Chichen Itza is a deinos city, so everything is massive to accommodate the size of its citizen. Habetrot has to stay inside the Ortinax because each step on a staircase is too tall for her to climb. To ensure we won't be mistaken for Ocelomeh again, Mash, Fujimaru, and Kotomine are disguised as deinos with Kotomine'smagecraftsacraments. Marine and Olga stayed behind because Olga refuses to look like a lizard and Marine doesn't want her to be alone. It shouldn't be too long because we're just here to ask for passage to the Boarder.
Chichen Itza's population used to be 2000, but with the Ocelotl attacks encouraging all deinos to pack together in the city, the population increased to 2400. Only 400 more because the Ocelomeh are intent on hunting the deinos to extinction, prioritizing killing the females so there won't be a next generation. And even if they managed to birth more deinos, they won't exactly be born under favorable circumstances. The deinos will soon perish, be it by Daybit's or Fujimaru's hands.
We come across some vendors, so Rasputin asks about the Lostbelt version of currency. It doesn't have any. Deinos can just take as much as they need from the merchants. The role of the shopkeeper is just to explain the products because the deinos are too different from each other. What nourishes one can be toxic for the other. This moneyless system works for deinos, but Rasputin's opinion is that it wouldn't work for humans because humans have too many needs. Not only of nutrition to operate our bodies, but of happiness to fulfill our minds. This hunger drove us to create more efficient wealth-accumulation systems. Meanwhile, deinos have no need to steal from one another because they have stronger bodies and calmer minds. Tepeu confirms that the only form of conflict existing among the deinos is xoqqer, which is a peaceful religious ritual to pray for the sun.
Translation note
The next question is about the altar of the sun. Its pyramid is identical to its Pan-Human version, except there's a jade pillar atop the altar. Tepeu explains that this crystal is the sun's home. Its origin and endpoint. Every cycle has the sun come out of the ore and return to it after circulating all levels. That's why Chichen Itza is the sacred ground where the deinos built their city. But the pillar isn't a mineral, it's a plant. A cosmic tree piercing Mictlan's underground, with the pyramid altar being only the top of the tree coming out of the ground.
Tepeu doesn't know the Dinosaur King because he left the city before kings were a thing, but he worked there as a priest for a long time before it, so he believes he has the necessary connections to get us an audience with the king. That said, when we get to the altar, the new priest after Tepeu's retirement reacts to the return of the deviant by telling Tepeu to get out of the city and die. Completely unfazed by the hostility, Tepeu cordially greets priest Vucub and makes our request. Vucub answers that the king is too busy with the war to deal with a deserter, and orders the warriors to drive us out of the golden city. Vucub is not on the greatest terms with Tepeu and frequently sics assassins on him. The whole "my connections can get us through" was just Tepeu being too much of a kind airhead to think Vucub would still hold a grudge. With Vucub as the new head priest, we can forget about the idea of talking to the Dinosaur King.
Out of solutions that can be done overnight, we decide to stay at Tepeu's Chichen Itza house and become part of the community until we can get our message across to the king.
Olga and Marine managed to enter the city because Olga is visibly not human and Marine was mistaken for Olga's accessory. Since our audience was refused, Olga suggests plan B: destroy the altar so the king will lose his legitimacy and they will be free to do whatever. Rasputin convinces her to avoid diplomatic incidents. We move to Tepeu's house, and it's looking almost like the jungle due to how long it has been abandoned.
[ <-Battle against the wild animals that occupied Tepeu's empty house-> ]
Tepeu's home is renewed, thanks mostly to the house-cleaning gods Marine and Kotomine. After that, Tepeu asks Mash for exposition on the Pan-Human version of Chichen Itza. This is where Fujimaru learns that Mayan and Aztec mythologies are not the same thing. Skipping the parts you can find on Wikipedia and focusing only on the Nasu-original elements, this section tells us that the Mesoamerican Age of Gods ended with the fall of the Mayan civilization in 900CE. The Aztec god Quetzalcoatl is a later development created from an existing prototype: the Mayan god Kukulkan. It's also noteworthy that when Mash gets to the part about the Spanish colonization of the Aztecs, she goes in depth about Hernan Cortes's tactics. His association with Quetzalcoatl feels familiar to Fujimaru because he's also a conqueror from another land being treated as a guest by Tepeu. Tepeu's opinion on the story is quite different though.
Tepeu wants to know more about Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca, but it's getting late. Kirei only has one quick question before everyone goes to sleep. He wants to know who built Chichen Itza. The golden city is too similar to its Pan-Human counterpart to be a deinos construct. Tepeu answers that Kukulkan did.
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More baseless speculation:
Marisbury wants to achieve True Magic (or more accurately, he wants to reach the root). In Melty Blood Actress again, Osiris states that Zepia was 1 step away from achieving the sixth true magic. As a reminder, Zepia's plan was to take over Arcueid's body and use Marble Phantasm in order to create a future which he was unable to calculate.
This made me think, U-Olga basically has Marble Phantasm. She can simulate events, and once those events are simulated she can superimpose them onto reality. This is how she revives the crypters- Kirschtaria has to prove that it's possible for them to survive, then she can make it so they do survive. Olga's power is that anything which is possible, she can make into reality.
My proposition is that this is Marisbury's goal, and the sixth true magic. The power to make anything which is possible occur. On paper this sounds like a weaker version of the second magic, but we've already seen how it's not- the second magic can only access parallel worlds, and due to the pruning phenomenon, not all "possibilities" are "real". This hypothetical sixth magic allows Olga to do things like create Lostbelts- things which are hypothetically possible, but could never actually exist.
As of right now, Olga is only capable of doing this sort of thing on a simulated planet (CHALDEAS). And this is why the plot of the game occurs- in order for Olga (following Marisbury's design, though she might be unaware of that) to actualize the sixth magic, she needs to create a world egg from his simulation. That is, she needs to perform a Reality Marble on the whole world- swap the "inner world" of CHALDEAS with the outer world of reality. In other words, hollow out the planet.
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