Oh. Okay?Originally Posted by Paulie25
We see Chiemon killing Hieda though, right? Hieda comments on how he survived by eating many people. Presumably we took longer killing Tsuchimikado then Yui did, which leads to Hieda missing the messenger, which leads Koxinga to leave, which leaves Hieda without a chance to get a Master.
Ah, you're right, I forgot that EtD scene. That does make sense. Still, it's a letdown that he's entirely forgotten in Flames of Resentment, but also hilarious in hindsight that he became irrelevant as he feared.
Just finished Entreat The Darkness. This is definitely Ioris "Mind of Steel" Route . This seems to be the route the game is alluding to take, so I Feel like they might add on to this ending in the DLC, maybe something like Kaya makes in in time to revive Iori, or sacrifice herself trying to break up their fight, something along those lines. Iori would have to go on living as a sword demon, after losing his sister, and Takeru, losing his wife in the almost same fashion as he did the first time would be the icing on the cake. Perfect Parallel. DLC can also add him actually WINNING the fight with saber and him becoming something like an anti hero of that age or how he's going to live his life after this would be cool. Another twist on how their fight can be made way more dramatic and impactful.
Not replaying again for rouge sabers digressions lmao I'll wait on dlc.
90 hours in and I feel like the game ended before I realized what was happening. need more character development and content for pretty much everyone. Iori And Otachibana vs Saber & Yui would be an epic plot twist to see too. Or if Dorothea or Zheng made saber their servant to fight against Iori. Would make alot of sense. Or if iori sacrificed Kaya himself/used the WM to transform into a literal sword demon as a final boss would be a great twist as well.
I don't understand why he let Gramps assimilate into the WM just to decide to keep it. Isn't it harmless/not potent/won't work at that point? I mean, what exactly could he do with the book at that point? Use it as bait to attract strong warriors or something? Lol. I guess it still is the WM in book form. Saber still being materialized after the assimilation I guess is proof it still has some potency or magic power.
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There's something that people overlooked as they finished the game, saying that the endings are abrupt and without proper goodbyes; the Servants of WMR need the Grail to exist. The moment Takeru destroy it in every routes, the moment they all vanish alongside it. The fact that EtD shows Takeru still around and even able to fight Iori implies that the Grail still functions somehow, and so are the other Rogues. This means it can also attract monsters, as alluded by many characters throughout the game. Iori can keep fighting monsters while justifying his occupations, and people vying for the Grail might catch wind of it and are after him, giving him more opponents.
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Kaya is firmly placed on the other side of the scales in Iori's mindset. She is the one person that Iori strives to protect, or keep safe from his affairs. Being the only other relative that could give him semblance of life before his hometown's destruction, she is the one lynchpin that can potentially hold his urge at bay, since the options imply that when Kaya is involved, it's possible he would prioritize her over his own desires.
Honestly, if he's in a situation where he could be in constant fighting to keep Kaya safe, it would be the best possible outcome for him, since he could fight for someone he cherishes.
Why is the Tsuchimikado route called rat? I get that the other is called a snake, because of Saburo.
And if you want a truly insane answer, it's to reinforce a parallel with Hyouma Sagara from Apo
Ohhhh.
Make sense considering both of them die in the most stupid way possible.
Rat stuff also comes back when Caster calls Chiemon a Rat in EtD.
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Unrelated but I rewatched some cutscenes for fun but it’s interesting looking back on certain scenes, one of the more notable ones was the bottom route for Chapter 3 where ya talk to Dorothea. Iori simply believes Dorothea at face value, because it’s easier to just believe her and then deal with if she was lying later than to spend time trying to figure it out. Saber points out that it seems Iori doesn’t really care if a person is good or bad, which prompts Iori to awkwardly mention how Musashi used to scold him about he never made distinctions. Saber actually comments that they like that about Iori though, with Iori eventually responding that he guess he can’t be wrong if Saber agrees. It’s a small scene but it highlights that one of the things Saber really liked about Iori was that he was just nice to everybody, the fact he didn’t really care about if anybody was good or evil was something Saber found to be kind and upstanding, even if Iori himself seems to think it’s probably a bad habit. All the more powerful since this isn’t too long after Iori abandons his Excess. It’s also a parallel to Yui who has Rider get annoyed at her for making distinctions between allies and enemies.
Also as just kind of a basic thing, the whole “Well Iori if you were born in the Sengoku Era you would have been well known and goated!” Thing gets brought up like right at the start of the game by Sukenoshin and Iori flatly responds that he’s content with his current life just fine. Just to kinda hammer home that Iori’s not like, a complete psychopath even at the start and his swordsmanship bloodlust really gets set off by the Ritual. The description of the cutscene where he’s fighting Rider even mentions that Iori’s “blood begins to churn.”
If you read the summary on Iori after completing EtD, it says that he's not incapable of love and such, but that these things are secondary in his life to achieving perfection of the sword. So he's not like Kirei levels of monstrous, but he's basically chosen his path and given the opportunity he's gonna go for it, even if it seems completely mental by a normal person's rationale.
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I mean Iori is never a psychopath, not even in the end. He still cares for Kaya and Saber, and it's not like he was about to go on a rampage killing innocents. On a surface level, Sword Demon Iori probably wouldn't stray too far from the path of peace he had been following until then.
Anyway, a friend pointed out something to me and it's really funny how Iori refuses the chance to actually join the "correct era" for his sword thirst... In China. Like Koxinga is about to go back to a war dude, just go with him.
Obviously the difference is that he hadn't completely accepted that mindset until he got to the Waxing Moon, way after Koxinga's offer. But it's still funny that the amicable solution was right there.
Also, he would also have to leave Kaya behind.
The Waxing Moon Ritual raised Iori's bar too high. He doesn't care about fighting random Dutch soldiers, he cares about fighting history's best.
If he was in the sword demon mindset at the time of the offer, I don't think he would mind. She's being taken care of.
And it's not like he cared that the conflict he was going to bring in EtD was in her doorstep.
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Oh, very true as well.
If he succeeds in EtD, is it guaranteed to summon more Heroic Spirits? At best, it will attract monsters on its own. But I doubt he cares.
Even if it doesn't bring Heroic Spirits or monsters, word of its existence alone will draw powerful mages, so that would give Iori a chance to hone his blade against various types of mystery.
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Y'know, it's not really a big deal but something I kinda wish this game did do was something similar to Kingdom Hearts whereby the Servants' entries in the Codex would have a mention of whether they've appeared in a prior work or not, like for exampleGilgamesh"Boss" to have "First Debut: Fate/Stay Night (2004)". Because I've been talking to a friend who's a noob and has been playing through the game and keeps asking me whether they're supposed to recognise who this and that character are.
Something for a sequel/spiritual successor perhaps.
"Here's a bangin lil' tune about takin' on The Man!"
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Gilgamesh is the only one who suffers from this, I think. The game doesn't expect you to know who Cu Chulainn or Jeanne or Circe are.
It won't be as fun as introduction entry to Fate. Extra back in the day has little to no reference about Rin, Arcueid, Aoko, and the like, and fans who came from there thought those charas were brand new, only to find out the truth weeks, months, or even years later.
I like that Circe hijacked her own logbook entry and made it an advertisement to be pigified.
I like how that's a thing that Circe keeps on doing. Even in her relevant CEs in F/GO. Fun stuff.
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Weirdly enough, this anecdote reminds me of, a bazillion years ago, when I tried to play Battle Moon Wars without knowing anything about TYPE-MOON's works.Y'know, it's not really a big deal but something I kinda wish this game did do was something similar to Kingdom Hearts whereby the Servants' entries in the Codex would have a mention of whether they've appeared in a prior work or not, like for exampleGilgamesh"Boss" to have "First Debut: Fate/Stay Night (2004)". Because I've been talking to a friend who's a noob and has been playing through the game and keeps asking me whether they're supposed to recognise who this and that character are.
Something for a sequel/spiritual successor perhaps.
"Oh, I've played Super Robot Wars games before, I know how it goes. I'll get little primers on everyone and I'll be able to follow with ease even as a newcomer—" N O P E. Know this context or (YOU)'re gonna sink, bub.
The incident, of course, helped get me into T-M, so all's well that ends well????????????
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As long as the grail exists mages will come for it. They might be able to summon servants or contract with stray servants. The grail might summon it's own servants as well much like the servants that appear in singularities. Lastly the conflict might trigger the counter force which will defiantly cause servants to appear. This would be Iori's biggest threat because the counter force tends to summon something that is a perfect counter to it's threat.
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