Create-a-Magus 2

[Random]

I question the efficacy of using the Library of Babel as a basis for Magecraft.

It contains all possible descriptions, right? Even if you had a description of a viable spell, you'd still need to deduce its mechanics and interpret it in a non-linguistic way.

And likewise, it also contains an innumerable amount of examples that look like valid spells but aren't, and would fail to cast at all, and the only way to tell would be to try and fail. On top of that, it would also list a near-infinite amount of things that are straight-up impossible or just plain gibberish.

The Library of Babel contains a book that will tell you who was in Paris, but it will also contain a book that tells you literally everyone who wasn't in Paris and claim that they were.

In other words, you'd literally have more luck with random trial and error. At least attempting every single possible thing in no particular order in real life while completely ignoring the library would naturally rule out all of the gibberish and things that could not actually be done.

Essentially, the concept is useless. In the Library of Babel, the only reliable way to find a book worth reading is to write it yourself. Believe me, I've used it.

[Kamera]

It's not that it's bad, it just feels incomplete, a draft. It feels like you're just filling a template rather than actually having written up something. Let your ideas simmer for a while, ask questions here if you need suggestion or help with developing your idea.

[Dreamerless]

I question the efficacy of using the Library of Babel as a basis for Magecraft.

It contains all possible descriptions, right? Even if you had a description of a viable spell, you'd still need to deduce its mechanics and interpret it in a non-linguistic way.

And likewise, it also contains an innumerable amount of examples that look like valid spells but aren't, and would fail to cast at all, and the only way to tell would be to try and fail. On top of that, it would also list a near-infinite amount of things that are straight-up impossible or just plain gibberish.

The Library of Babel contains a book that will tell you who was in Paris, but it will also contain a book that tells you literally everyone who wasn't in Paris and claim that they were.

In other words, you'd literally have more luck with random trial and error. At least attempting every single possible thing in no particular order in real life while completely ignoring the library would naturally rule out all of the gibberish and things that could not actually be done.

Essentially, the concept is useless. In the Library of Babel, the only reliable way to find a book worth reading is to write it yourself. Believe me, I've used it.

Yes, but the point of his magecraft is that it’s a series of search engines to actually get the useful info. However, I see your point

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It's not that it's bad, it just feels incomplete, a draft. It feels like you're just filling a template rather than actually having written up something. Let your ideas simmer for a while, ask questions here if you need suggestion or help with developing your idea.

Got it. Will try

[Random]

Have you used the actual Library of Babel before? That might help you get a grasp on it.

[Dreamerless]

Have you used the actual Library of Babel before? That might help you get a grasp on it.

Yes. However, I also don’t have access to magecraft. Do you?

[Kamera]

oh hey, while everyone's here, any more feedback on my Atlas police?

[DelRey]

oh hey, while everyone's here, any more feedback on my Atlas police?

its pretty cool. back to the F7D grind. But there are much cooler pics of him. I dont get the grape. Now its the grape that does surgery?

[Kamera]

I dont get the grape. Now its the grape that does surgery?

the favorite food of Osiris

[Salt Pillar]

1. Hamsa amulets acting as Mystic Eye Killers is such a basic but incredibly cool concept. Makes you think just how prevalent mystics eyes were in Arabia.
2. I would like to know more about... all of his backstory. I'm not sure I know what drives him, or what he seeks. I just know he's superb at what he does. The Lawful Evil alignment took me off guard; I didn't get the impression he was opportunistic at all, though I guess that's the average Magus alignment.
3. The Khamsa Hathor/Wadjet is incredibly creative and interesting. The idea of connecting one's senses to an artificial magical eye and conflating the two is brilliant. Personally, I would've loved some exposition on the importance of eyes to alchemy, to further solidify the reason for being an Atlas Alchemist. Like, what connects this system to alchemy in particular? This is just a personal minor peeve of mine though, I enjoy the historical/cultural aspect of Fate more than the magic aspect.

[Random]

Yes. However, I also don’t have access to magecraft. Do you?

That depends on what you mean by Magecraft. Either way, I don't understand what you're getting at.

Here, there's a book about this in the Library itself. I'll give you the hexagon ID, so check out Page 87 of the 27th book on the fifth shelf of the second wall.

hexagon name

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[Dreamerless]

That depends on what you mean by Magecraft. Either way, I don't understand what you're getting at.

Here, there's a book about this in the Library itself. I'll give you the hexagon ID, so check out Page 87 of the 27th book on the fifth shelf of the second wall.

hexagon name

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Got it. I get your point. But my idea is that magecraft could dramatically make searching the Library easier. Or it could use the Library as a basis like this:

Step 1: The hypothetical book that I want must exist within the library

Step 2: I use magecraft to manifest it.

[Random]

So it's just normal Projection Magecraft, is what you're saying?

[Dreamerless]

So it's just normal Projection Magecraft, is what you're saying?

I suppose, but using the Library to get the actual thing you want. Idk, it was a bad idea as I said. I'm just trying to find a way to make it work.

[Random]

From my point of view, the pertinent question to ask is what purpose that generating a near-infinite amount of junk data would actually serve. It's a resource, surely? What are you spending it on?

[Comun]

Lore Department

[Dreamerless]

Ok. Fuck me. I got everything wrong. Fuck me.

[neokamui414]

Personally I think The Library of Babel would not be the Foundation but the Formula, the Foundation would be Kabbalah. More specifically Gematria and Notarikon, the whole premise of an infinite library containing all the worlds knowledge but also filled with an endless amount of 'nonsense' data is one deeply rooted in the Jewish understanding of scripture being both physical objects and spiritual a-temporal sources of Divine Wisdom written in the Divine language of Hebrew that the Creator used to make the world. and the link between Jorge Luis Borges and Kabbalah is also very well known: https://archive.org/details/borgeskaballahot0000alaz

[Random]

I question the decision to delete it entirely, but this is really no more weighty than just a case study in double-checking your systems. He wasn't entirely finished in the first place, right? There would be no shame in asking in the ideas thread to see if these elements made sense - although I suspect asking questions on things before you decide on them would have netted even more useful results in that regard.

Basically, there's no need to think less of yourself just because your draft went unchecked before anyone knew you were working on it.

[Dreamerless]

I question the decision to delete it entirely, but this is really no more weighty than just a case study in double-checking your systems. He wasn't entirely finished in the first place, right? There would be no shame in asking in the ideas thread to see if these elements made sense - although I suspect asking questions on things before you decide on them would have netted even more useful results in that regard.

Basically, there's no need to think less of yourself just because your draft went unchecked before anyone knew you were working on it.

I got it. I guess it'll sit in its document until I decide to fix it later on. Thanks for helping and giving advice even after it was done Random.

[Random]

Personally I think The Library of Babel would not be the Foundation but the Formula, the Foundation would be Kabbalah. More specifically Gematria and Notarikon, the whole premise of an infinite library containing all the worlds knowledge but also filled with an endless amount of 'nonsense' data is one deeply rooted in the Jewish understanding of scripture being both physical objects and spiritual a-temporal sources of Divine Wisdom written in the Divine language of Hebrew that the Creator used to make the world. and the link between Jorge Luis Borges and Kabbalah is also very well known: https://archive.org/details/borgeskaballahot0000alaz

This is also absolutely true.

Really, the mechanism was more of the headscratcher than the concept.