Sunday and Tingyun easy skip for The Herta and Jade.
Sunday and Tingyun easy skip for The Herta and Jade.
My main acc already is beyond cracked so I can skip any of these chars or going for any of them and it wouldn't make any difference, I just roll for whoever I like or vertical investment on existing teams at this point. So I'll just sit and save till whoever the anniversary going to be.
My alt OTOH probably will pick up Fugue cuz she is Rappa's craziest support (also works for Himeko and Xueyi), then BIG Herta. Because if the rumors about the character getting drip marketed tmr is accurate, that char will require Sunday to work at their best potential and my alt isn't getting him.
I see that she's a Hanyaface. Guess I'll try my chance at Sunday and hopefully have enough left to skip everyone else until Amphoreus for the new reveals.
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Yeah, I got Tingyun...but also DDD. And at S2. So yeah, guess I'll just slap Bronya's LC on Sunday if I get him, maybe? Whenever I don't just slap DDD on him instead.
People were saying it's hard? Huh. I know they were saying that of PF, but not the MoC. Eh, either way...thanks for the suggestions and encouragement! I managed to clear with all stars for MoC, though with the Choir I went with HMC instead of Welt, mainly for DDD...gonna give Welt a try just to see if that comp can beat it any faster without HMC and DDD, but otherwise, I'm done! Phew. ...PF 4 though...yeah it sucks. X/ Only managed to get one star so far.
and now the REAL reason why i'm here rn...
TO SQUEAL ABOUT THE 2.7 LIVESTREAM
with first off:
WHAT
I WASN'T EXPECTING ANY 3.0 TEASERS
In hindsight, it feels like it makes sense, since how else were they gonna fill up the livestream with just 2.7 information (which huh surprised it's actually a Trailblaze Mission and not a Continuance)? At least it makes sense to me. Either way...
HOLY CRAP I WASN'T EXPECTING TO SEE CHARACTER DESIGNS AND TEASERS. Of the characters teased, I am most interested in the "the Foolish" character, the "daughter of Styx" character, and apparently the character that looks like some character from 3rd Impact named Kevin.
Oh and hey unexpected more The Herta teasers...and how she's involved in the story.
Second: yes i saw the leaks but now that it's official: YES FREE FIVE STAR SELECTOR. I am thinking of getting Himeko cauae damn is the current PF making me REALLY want her even more. I don't think I'll need Bronya (especially if I get lucky in getting Sunday), the only other one I'm considering on selecting. Besides, there's the standard banner selector, so if I still want Bronya, whenever that reaches 300, than I can still pick her from there.
Third: with all the info we got on Amphoreus from that Golden trailer...is anyone else just thinking about the fate collab from all this...? All the talk of gods/titana, memories/heroes, "fight for the fire" just makes me think of Fate...but then again, it could just be mixing Flamechaser/3rd Impact references with it since, again, apparently the group is a 3rd Impact reference/HSR version of them... But still. I can't help it when obvious summons/servants are gonna be the gameplay focus and the UBW collab is supposed to be next year.
four: imma proly just gonna roll for both sunday and than jing yuan
idc if jing yuan is mid i'm not as interested in the herta and aglaea rn so i am willing to just wait for the later 3.x characters in terms of the summon meta
tho i fully expect to fail in getting either
Last edited by DracoScribe; November 22nd, 2024 at 10:09 AM.
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"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
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One of your targets is rumored to be paired with Gilgamesh so you better be prepared.
Himeko is currently the most valuable standard banner char. The glow up is insane, considering she was doomposted to be worse than Yanqing back in 1.0 lmao.I am thinking of getting Himeko cauae damn is the current PF making me REALLY want her even more. I don't think I'll need Bronya (especially if I get lucky in getting Sunday), the only other one I'm considering on selecting. Besides, there's the standard banner selector, so if I still want Bronya, whenever that reaches 300, than I can still pick her from there.
I mean did you see that Nanook hand looking like the EXP Ember hands in FGO?Third: with all the info we got on Amphoreus from that Golden trailer...is anyone else just thinking about the fate collab from all this...? All the talk of gods/titana, memories/heroes, "fight for the fire" just makes me think of Fate...but then again, it could just be mixing Flamechaser/3rd Impact references with it since, again, apparently the group is a 3rd Impact reference/HSR version of them... But still. I can't help it when obvious summons/servants are gonna be the gameplay focus and the UBW collab is supposed to be next year.
In any case, yes, the 13 Flame-Chasers play crucial roles in the story of HI3rd 50k years before the current timeline. Many fan favorites are from that group but currently only 2 of them survived. Shaoji earned his title of Chinese Urobutcher with the arc featuring them being written by him.
I am the most excited for Cipher since she is clearly the Flame-Chaser Pardofelis' alt. She is the strongest of them all and my personal favorite. She is so peak that Shaoji killed her 3 times in the story and it hurts every single time. Fuck you Shaoji.
ready for elysia to empty my bank account
"Where there are demons, I slay them.
Where there are saints, I slay them.
Good is not my nature.
Justice is not my purpose.
The righteous path is not mine to walk.
Good and Evil alike shall perish beneath my blade."
—The Law of Balance
Flame Chasers, babyyyyy!
Kevin expy confirmed, Elysia expy confirmed, Pardofelis confirmed, eyepatch man may be Su, given his whole reject-fate schtick, flame dude may be Kalpas.
Styx death lady looks goooooood.
And yeah, Fate's being referenced here.
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From the look of it, the 3 Paths holding the fate of this planet seems to be Remembrance, Destruction and Nihility. I'm assuming Remembrance represents the past (inheritence of heroes), Destruction represents the Present (the current doom they are facing) and Nihility the future (the result of the conflict is nothingness). It would also match the 3 Moirae Sisters.
New MoC season. Once again Tingyun DDD exploit is absurd enough to replace a 5* limited Harmony. I probably will just skip Sundae for now.
Bwah. The latest MoC 12 is kinda kicking my ass honestly. And by that I mean I'm so close. I'm consistently doing 18 cycles, so I just need to speed it up by two, but as far as I can tell, my main problem is that I have so-so, if not terrible, relics on my Feixiao. Cause I'm looking at the damage output of other runs, particularly non-0 cycle ones, and I'm seeing that the damage output on mine is vastly low, and right now her traces are 9 talent/10 ult/9 skill. So I tried to switch to a crit damage body, as I was running a crit rate one before, and saw that, yup, if I got lucky with crits, I could clear the first side way faster...again, if I got lucky with crits cuz the body I synthesized didn't have any crit rate substats.
I am very tempted to start relic farming now, but I've been maxing out skills on my teams finally, especially thanks to the bonus drop event that was going on, so I'm holding off that urge.for now
...or maybe i should just build tingyun and do that ddd trick with her. Think it's possible to do that without raising her traces for now?
Or maybe I should just try and see if HMC with DDD is enough for now with the 2nd side since I've been mainly been using Welt on that side cause I like his slow area letting me do setup with minimal damage in the beginning of the fight...
Or maybe I just really need to max everyone's traces, cause so far my main teams are at 8/8/8, with only Robin, Feixiao, Jiaoqiu and Acheron being the ones on my account (for now) to have at least one maxed trace...
or i just need to pull sunday, build him and slot him into side two to make a "dual dps" team of acheron and lingsha
Anyways! I've been doing Gold and Gears and my gosh...doing an difficulty 5 Abundance run sucked. X/ I had to get lucky with the blessings that would help even without the dice giving a useful boost, but at least I'm done with it. Also getting the "Going Dutch" ahievement was really annoying. Had to reset so many times, making sure the enemy was broken before Boothill's turn, to get the voiceline. On the bright side, I just found out the combination I really like using, especially with an Acheron team that has Aven. "Blessing that makes ults count as FUAs" + "blessing that makes FUAs restore skill points" + "various Erudition, Nihility and any blessings that help the uptime of ults" = mwahaha! I can still restore my SP from FUAs even when not using a full FUA team in SU! Mwahahaha! But seriously, I was really happy using that "build" for G&G. Gonna go and finish the other paths before trying to go for the conundrum levels.
Huh? Gilgamesh? I thought... wait. -goes and double checks leaks- Ah. That's what you meant. Thanks for the heads up! Seriously, thanks. I can plan out my pulls a bit more.
...of course assuming no one i want is rerun with the new characters (especially jade or argenti).
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"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
Next Update: Chapter 64 on April 30, 2025 (+8:00 GMT)
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The compendium of my Servants
If you don't mind you can post your teams, LCs you have and relics here for suggestions. There are cases where you didn't hit the right stats or LCs on your chars that can lead to lower performance, which you can fix by changing things around just a lil bit.
Oh! Well, if it isn't a bother...okay then! I can share 'em. Er, I don't really know how to do the team showcase that Bobin did, but I had found out about how to show off builds from finding this site, so that's what I'm gonna use (well, host the image taken from there rather), while I'll just write down my LCs and (some of) my relics. I hope that's okay. Again, I don't know how to do what Bobin did to show off their roster.
Light ConesSpoiler:
Non-equipped leveled up relicsNotes: as I've said, the Crit Rate Valorous was Feixiao's original chest piece, while the Crit Dmg one on her now is mainly just me testing if the crit damage she had was really that lacking (about 100% CrDmg with my current CR valorous compared to about 149% CrDmg with her current equipped crit dmg body during battle and robin's talent is activated and not acounting anything else, like Topaz's and Aven'd debuffs). If it wasn't obvious, the 4 piece musketer and the izumo rope and orb are for March 7th, but ever since I got Topaz, I've barely been using her unless I wanna switch it up (like this MoC 11...not sure if switching Topaz with her for the True Sting was worth it).Spoiler:
i could've also added the not-leveled-up relics that i have but i was getting tired writing all of these substats, so unless you think i should show 'em off i won't list 'em rn.
MoC 12 teams/current main units
Notes: HMC takes Welt's place in the Acheron whenever I wanna use him, and if Lingsha is in the team, I switch her LC to the What is Real?/free Gallagher LC.in spoiler cuz big and many pics
When I'm in SU and decided to use Acheron team, that's when I put Aven in her team, otherwise he has so far been stuck in the Feixiao team.
I initially had 2 pc Messenger and 2 pc Sacerdos Welt since his role was to simply be a debuffer, so I wanted him to be as fast as I could get him, but then I noticed the EHR substats in the prisoner and grand duke pieces and got (mostly) lucky with the rolls, so switched to a rainbow set.
I have Vonwacq on Lingsha because od hearing something about "if she has 120 energy regen for more frequent ults". Meanwhile, I forget if I heard specific advice for Jiaoqiu on energy regen rates, but I do know from experience that with 120 energy regen, I can have his ult in the first in the endgame nodes with one skill (cuz i've had a few times where i forgot to put back his vonwacq after moving it and going "why is getting his ult so much slower??"/"why didn't he get his ult first turn with his skill???").
As far as I can tell, with my own knowledge and checking through fribbles, which I rcently found, my relics for my Feixiao suck. Well when it's the crit damage body. But even when it was the crit rate chest piece, it was at best middling.
...yes even now i'm surprised to have gotten 160 speed on my topaz. idk how i was lucky to get those speed rolls with decent crit and atk rolls, but i did, and i wasn't even planning on making her fast. I just wanted crit rate and crit damage rolls. What's even funnier(?) is that I can raise it to 164 with the Grand Duke head that has 7 speed, and actually that was initially her head piece. I just use the other head since it had more crit rate while still managing to get her to 160 speed.
Aaaand...that's it I think? Idk what else do I need to list down so just ask again and I'll see if it's something I can answer.
Again, I've consistently been beating MoC 12 with 18 cycles left. I've been trying to improve side 1 since I could tell my problem was my Feixiao's damage, while for side 2, I wasn't sure what else I could do atm, besides leveling traces and learning more about the mechanics of the fight (like making sure to save an ult for the start of the 2nd wave to ensure happy face effects), to improve the time on that side.
Last edited by DracoScribe; December 1st, 2024 at 04:39 AM.
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Persona 5: Refraction (SV link; FF.net link)
"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
Next Update: Chapter 64 on April 30, 2025 (+8:00 GMT)
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The compendium of my Servants
Your Acheron is unironically the best of the bunch (following by Topaz), which is wild to me considering you didn't even plan to get her at the beginning and was unprepared.
Okay I already see a few issues you can fix:
1) Unlock the rest of the minor traces on Feixiao, Robin, Topaz, Jiaoqiu, Welt. You might think they are not necessary, but they are.
2) All Lightcones to level 80 for Feixiao, Robin, Topaz. This also shouldn't take long.
3) Put Resolution Pearl on Welt, lowering a bit of EHR does not matter due to his skills hitting multiple hits which improving the chance of applying debuffs anyways.
4) Swap Lingsha with Aventurine for Acheron for this MoC and put Fine Fruit on her (yes, the 3 star LC you have at the end of that list). First half of 12F does not have Imaginary weakness other than on the wolf mecha. Meanwhile Aventurine is better at generating stacks for Acheron on 2nd half since you had his signature LC. Every single FUA he does grants her 1 stack.
5) Give Robin 2pc of any of the other atk +12% relics (the wind soaring or the DoT set) to replace that 2pc spd, she doesn't need it. Replace the planar with the new Lukshaka set. You can go with either atk% orb or phys % orb. Craft the ERR rope of that set with modeling resin asap.
Next try again and see if there are any improvements. Then we continue tweaking. Your teams should be these 2:
- Feixiao, Topaz, Robin, Lingsha (first half, in that correct order).
- Acheron, Jiaoqiu, Aventurine, Welt (second half, in that correct order).
The issue isn't actually your Feixiao. In fact with the crit rate chest and like 100% base crit dmg you mentioned, your Feixiao is similar to the one on my alt, who managed to clear first half in 3-4 cycles. The problem was your Robin. She did not have any ERR, meaning you get a lot slower first ult AND subsequent ult despite running a FUA comp.
Last edited by Lily Emilio; December 1st, 2024 at 06:54 AM.
Good to know fribbles wasn't wrong on that. I found out how good the build was through using it. I was surprised too when I did, and also very amused, since that 4 piece had previously been on Welt.
Oh, well I was already planning to level all of that, so it's nice to know I was on the right track on that.
Oh. The debuff chance is per hit? Huh. Okay, I'll switch over then. I just hope 90% EHR will still be good enough...
Errr...I did try using Lingsha in the first half, but it would just go terribly as I died before I even reach Svarog, so I'm admittedly hesitant to do so...but I'll try again anyways since now I got some direction other than "swap aven and lingsha", and I know with Aven in side 2, I can use Welt's skill more without worry, and that Lingsha can spam her skill more with Feixiao's team thanks to Topaz. I'll get to leveling Fine Fruit as soon as I can. I hope this time when I try it won't go so horribly.
Yeeeaaahhh...I knew she didn't need the speed, but they were the pieces that I had that had some high atk substats, so I went and did it. I was planning on giving her Valorous for when I grinded for Feixiao. Planar meanwhile... -checks- Oh. That's what it does. Got it. Good thing I asked before the reset tomorrow. I can get started on Lushaka. I'll hold off on getting Valorous for her until I do the traces and LCs.
Got it! I try to be optimal with team positioning already so I get why I should do it in order.
...oh. That...makes more sense. Man, I'm really glad you offered to help and I took it...I wouldn't have realized for a while. Thanks a lot for the pointers! I'm happy to have a plan now. Now let's see how well it goes... Hmm, though now I can't help but wonder if the improvements might also end up helping with MoC 11...but I doubt it. I beat it with like...I think it was 12 cycles left, so I've kinda given up on 3 starring that floor.
Ahem, but I digress. I'll let you know when all the setup is done and I give it a few tries.
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"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
Next Update: Chapter 64 on April 30, 2025 (+8:00 GMT)
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It's because of your Robin taking too long to get everything going due to having zero ERR, resulting in everyone stucking there waiting and taking all the damage from the elites. This is why I told you to use Fine Fruit which can provide the sufficient amount of energy so you can quickly ult with her (you actually don't need to level Fine Fruit LC up too high btw, heck you probably won't even need it if the enemies RNG targeting your Robin, it's just a guaranteed way of getting your first Robin's ult as fast as possible). Here is how I did it with my alt (all are E0S0 with mid relics except for Topaz having E1 which is still weaker than S1 Topaz), no Fine Fruit was needed:
Spoiler:
As you can see it took 3 cycles total out of a Feixiao build focusing entirely on crit rate to land consistent crits (that is like half the amount of cdmg on my main acc's Feixiao still). But because of Robin manipulating the turns, you can play very safe with Lingsha, Svarog didn't even have the chance to summon his hands as he died too fast.
11F is actually harder than 12F since it is pretty awkward if you don't have the right set up. But it is doable. I can cook something for you but it will depend on whether you want to tryhard with it.Hmm, though now I can't help but wonder if the improvements might also end up helping with MoC 11...but I doubt it. I beat it with like...I think it was 12 cycles left, so I've kinda given up on 3 starring that floor.
Last edited by Lily Emilio; December 1st, 2024 at 10:28 AM.
Literally on the final day of the patch. I want to say I'll never need another Lightning dps again, but Jing Yuan mains claimed the same thing and it did not age well lol.
Ah, so "you died cuz you couldn't get your super offense off before your enemies did". Okay then. I'm a but more reassured it will work then, but forgive the skeptic in me that thinks Murphy's Law is gonna happen somehow anyway. Either way, I get it and appreciate the proof.It's because of your Robin taking too long to get everything going due to having zero ERR, resulting in everyone stucking there waiting and taking all the damage from the elites. This is why I told you to use Fine Fruit which can provide the sufficient amount of energy so you can quickly ult with her (you actually don't need to level Fine Fruit LC up too high btw, heck you probably won't even need it if the enemies RNG targeting your Robin, it's just a guaranteed way of getting your first Robin's ult as fast as possible). Here is how I did it with my alt (all are E0S0 with mid relics except for Topaz having E1 which is still weaker than S1 Topaz), no Fine Fruit was needed:
Spoiler:
As you can see it took 3 cycles total out of a Feixiao build focusing entirely on crit rate to land consistent crits (that is like half the amount of cdmg on my main acc's Feixiao still). But because of Robin manipulating the turns, you can play very safe with Lingsha, Svarog didn't even have the chance to summon his hands as he died too fast.
It is doable? Well, yeah, I know it isz but doable for my roster? Huh. Well, if you're offerring, sure, I'd love to try 3 starring it. I only gave up doing better than 2 stars simply because I couldn't think of how could I improve by 8 or so cycles with my roster as is.
Congrats on E6 Acheron! Happy to hear you managed your goal. Always satisfying to get the absolute max of a favorite. ...and yeah, don't jinx it.Literally on the final day of the patch. I want to say I'll never need another Lightning dps again, but Jing Yuan mains claimed the same thing and it did not age well lol.
Edit: tho speaking of stuff in hsr managed to be achieved, I just happened to get a Phys Lushaka Orb with Atk% that managed to get some rolls into the substat. So with that acquired, I went and made the ERR rope.
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"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
Next Update: Chapter 64 on April 30, 2025 (+8:00 GMT)
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The compendium of my Servants
I assume you used Acheron vs the swarm boss and Feixiao comp vs Aventurine boss. That would make sense since the swarm boss can summon mobs who can debuff themselves as they die, giving Acheron free stacks. But it is actually also a trap.
Why? Because while Acheron definitely can bruteforce that stage due to her rainbow break and res pen from ult, she actually performs better vs Aventurine boss since everything in that side are weak to Lightning plus winning the dice rolls will fully recover her ult. Feixiao comp can also perform well vs Aventurine but no mobs having any weaknesses that Feixiao comp can break (unless you run Moze) reducing her overall dps. Aventurine's draining energy also is very rough for Robin. My suggestion is to swap your teams around. Try Acheron + Jiaoqiu + Aventurine + Pela (if you don't have her built yet then use Welt but it will be quite annoying) vs Aventurine while using Feixiao comp vs the swarm boss.
My alt managed to clear in 4 cycles, so if you can get it done it 4-5 cycles you'll have 5-6 cycles for Acheron team to clear Aventurine.
...actually, I used Acheron (though with Lingsha) on the Aventurine side (the coincidence of which I find amusing lol). My logic was that, since he's got that dice mechanic, and all of the members of that team have some sort of AoE (Acheron, Jiaoqiu, & Lingsha skill & ult; Welt ult), if not at least a chance with a Bounce skill (Welt or HMC), I figured they'd be better on that side instead of the Swarm. Meanwhile, I had Feixiao with Hunt March (with Topaz LC) and Aven for the Swarm side. I didn't even know they debuff themselves when they die. Unless you talking about when the exploding bugs give Vulnerability to the True Sting, then, oh, okay, I did notice...and for some reason it didn't occur to me that that would give Acheron stacks. Either way...actually my problem isn't the True Sting side. Because funnily enough, the Robin-Feixiao-Hunt March w/ Topaz LC-Aven team beat it in 5 cycles, iirc, and that was with the old Robin build of no ERR, and since you cleared it in 4-5 cycles with Feixiao too, that means I'm doing ok on that side. My problem is that I couldn't beat Aventurine in the remaining 5 cycles, and idk what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's because of the traces levels, or lack of Pela (who is not built) or I just don't know how to handle all the Aventurine boss mechanics, or something? Again, idk, thus I didn't know what to do to reduce the cycles it took to beat him, and thus why I had initially given up and decided to focus on MoC 12 since reducing 12 cycles to 10 seemed more doable to me than 18 to 10.
Last edited by DracoScribe; December 2nd, 2024 at 07:26 PM.
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"You didn't have to fight for me, you know." "And you didn't have to curl your hair so we'll look even more alike." Ren stared before he softly chuckled, Akira joining him not long after. With one simple decision as a child, Ren Amamiya goes to Tokyo alongside his little sister, Akira. (P5R Sibling AU) (Ren/Ann, Akechi/Fem!Akira)
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